Opinion

Supreme Court stands up for First Amendment in political speech decision

“Political speech is indispensable to decision-making in a democracy, and this is no less true because the speech comes from a corporation,” read last week’s Supreme Court ruling, which struck down restrictions on certain kinds of political speech by corporations.

A corporation is an association of individuals, the Court pointed out, and those individuals retain their right to free speech when they choose to express their views through associations.

The importance of this decision cannot be overemphasized. It both upholds First Amendment protections on political speech and reinforces the crucial principle that the Constitution is a proscription on government power, not a prescription for desirable political outcomes.

Sen. Russ Feingold, D-WI, for example, immediately denounced the decision as “ignoring judicial restraint” and giving “corporate money a breathtaking new role in federal campaigns.”

But as the court explained, “First Amendment protections do not depend on the speaker’s financial ability to engage in public discussion.” Feingold’s desire to restrict shareholders from effecting political outcomes though their corporate association is precisely the kind of usurpation of liberty that the Supreme Court is instituted to protect.

Feingold’s call for “restraint” in upholding the Constitution — due to his belief that shareholders have too much influence in the marketplace of ideas — is antithetical to liberty and would constitute a dereliction of duty on the part of the court.

Mike McCabe, Madison director of Wisconsin Democracy Campaign, condemned the court’s decision on similar grounds, saying it is “truly jaw dropping” that “our nation’s highest court concluded that corporations were not being adequately heard.”

But in fact, the court concluded no such thing. The principle explicit in the very words “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech” is that government has no right to decide who is and is not being adequately heard. This is what the Court based its decision on and what protecting liberty means.

Freedom means individuals are free to express themselves, form alliances and use their resources to influence ideas, public opinion and their government, however they see fit. The arguments that certain “powerful influences” are “bad for democracy” or “unduly influencing elections” are irrelevant. Those who believe this will have to battle it out in the marketplace of ideas like everyone else, as they have no right to muzzle anyone.

While it is disheartening to see political figures rebuffing constitutional principles in the name of controlling political outcomes, even more disturbing is the widespread equivocation between persuasion and force.

President Obama, for example, condemned the judges publicly and issued the following statement: “It is a major victory for big oil, Wall Street banks, health insurance companies and the other powerful interests that marshal their power every day in Washington” and pledged to “develop a forceful response to this decision.”

Putting aside his pompous disregard for separation of powers and the standard list of leftist villains, we find a gross inversion of where power actually lies.

It is not the power of money that wields a club and carries a gun, but the power of Washington. Corporations, regardless of their wealth, have only the power to voice their opinions and persuade others; Washington has the power to expropriate your money, shutdown your business and put you behind bars. Yet our culture’s equivocation between persuasion and force fuels the perverse belief that money is evil and government the savior.

Those who complain about the corrupting influence of money in politics should ask themselves whether it’s the money that is corrupt or the sanction we give government to expropriate citizens’ wealth and control their lives. All the money in the world can neither pick your pocket nor break your leg, but unrestrained government routinely extorts, bribes and coerces its citizens.

The divide between upholding freedom of speech as an inalienable right and the politics of pressure group warfare makes clear the contradiction of our mixed economy. We cannot have freedom of speech while violating a hundred other freedoms. Once government becomes the instrument of initiating force against citizens, everyone will clamor to take control of that force. Corporations will seek bailouts and favoritism, unions will seek wage controls and states will beg for federal handouts.

Once the principle that force can be used against individuals for the benefit of some alleged “public interest” is established, there will be no reason that an individual’s freedom to speak cannot be stripped from him for the alleged goal of “democracy” or fighting “special interests.”

The Supreme Court’s decision to uphold the First Amendment right of individuals to speak alone or in concert with others — through unions, partnerships or corporations — should be applauded. Those who see such freedoms as a threat to society and the democratic process should question their conception of government as a coercive agent of wealth redistribution and social engineering; perhaps this is the real threat.

Jim Allard (jeallard@mac.com) is a graduate student in biological sciences.

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I’d like to punch you in the fucking face.

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Argumentum ad baculum

Non-persuasive

/dismissed

Grade: F

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OBummer! Progressive thinking expressed as eloquently as the writer was capable of, poor dear. Does your mother know her bowel movement of 18 years ago lived… and is oozing excrement at UW-MadTown as a Poly Sci major?

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“Those who see such freedoms as a threat to society and the democratic process should question their conception of government as a coercive agent of wealth redistribution and social engineering; perhaps this is the real threat.”

You’re being a confrontational idiot on purpose, got it. No one is actually this dumb.

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Argumentum ad hominem abusive

Non-persuasive

/dismissed

Grade: F

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You’re assuming my goal is persuasion rather than abuse. I’ve long realized that internet idiots are beyond any intervention but their own.

P.S. the one way that this ruling would be fair is if there were some fund that would pay candidates to allow them to respond to opponents with deeper pockets. Until that happens, the government can and should put reasonable time, place and manner restrictions on political speech. A reasonable cap on donations by any individual would solve this problem. Although every individual has a right to free speech, every individual does not have the right to clog up a public forum shouting into a bullhorn of crazy. (This has long been an accepted edict of American Constitutional Law, we just have a Supreme Court that is willing to ignore it.)

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What are corporations? They are legal conglomerations of citizens uniting for specific legal purposes; and as courts have ruled consistently, constitutional rights don’t disappear just because citizens choose to organize.

Do folks not see the irony of (supposed) free-speech advocates hyperventilating against a Supreme Court ruling that actually struck down government censorship of free speech?

I’d like to see what happens if MoveOn.org (or any number of Leftist corporate entities) EVER had a bullhorn confiscated from one of its organized members.

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  1. The constitutional rights apply to the constituent members of the group rather than the group. The corporation, as the individual’s property is free from things like unreasonable search and seizure, but just as it does not have a right to vote, it does not have a free speech right. Corporations are business organizations and the law should not fetter them in that end. Corporations aren’t meant to make political speech.

  2. If there is a compelling state interest, free speech rights can be overcome. I cannot go on national television and broadcast state secrets for this very reason.

  3. Capping spending does not limit political speech. Anyone who wants to get a point across can get one across. It just limits the right of an individual to repeat the same, probably false, point ad nauseum.

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Incoherent

Non-persuasive

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Grade: F

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Randroid

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“It just limits the right of an individual to repeat the same, probably false, point ad nauseum.”

And this is why it’s wrong. Individuals have a right to repeat the same (true or false) point ad nauseum.

“Congress shall make no law…”

What part of “no” don’t you understand?

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Congress has the right to place time place and manner restrictions as well as restrict free speech in the face of a compelling state interest.

the No is hyperbole.

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Time place and manner restrictions are the means of protecting freedom of speech, they are not limitations on it. They act to ensure people are free to speak without interfering with others’ freedom to speak.

The state only has one legitimate interest: to protect individual rights, including the right to express one’s views freely. Any claim to an interest above this interest is a distortion of the central purpose of the Constitution.

No, means no.

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You can’t see how infusing the electoral process with corporate money is going to impede the ability of others to speak? At the very minimum the influx of advertising dollars will raise the price of running an advertisement beyond the ability of almost all private individuals.

Additionally, TPM restrictions are used for other purposes all the time, including restricting the invasiveness of the speech (I don’t have a right to stand outside your window screaming my political opinions at you at 3 AM).

The Supreme Court decision was a policy one, and a poor one at that. Congress had the right to put this sort of restriction in place.

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Justice Scalia quite properly addresses the specious “impede free speech” lament:

“The Amendment is written in terms of ‘speech,’ not speakers. Its text offers no foothold for excluding any category of speakers, from single individuals to partnerships of individuals, to unincorporated associations of individuals, to incorporated associations of individuals… Indeed, to exclude or impede corporate speech is to muzzle the principal agents of the modern free economy. We should celebrate rather than condemn the addition of this speech to the public debate.”

Try harder.

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“the First Amendment imposes not an “underinclusiveness” limitation but a “content discrimination” limitation upon a State’s prohibition of proscribable speech. There is no problem whatever, for example, with a State’s prohibiting obscenity (and other forms of proscribable expression) only in certain media or markets, for although that prohibition would be “underinclusive,” it would not discriminate on the basis of content.”

“When the basis for the content discrimination consists entirely of the very reason the entire class of speech at issue is proscribable, no significant danger of idea or viewpoint discrimination exists.” -Scalia in RAV v. St. Paul

As long as the government doesn’t discriminate on the content of political speech, some classes (i.e. corporate speech) can be considered harmful and banned.

Indeed. Corporations still can’t broadcast porn during Saturday morning cartoon time. Conversely, Leftists should be banned from gratuitous displays of public obscenities (masquerading as “free speech”).

Caution: The following hyperlink contains graphic displays of Leftist “free” speech in Berkeley academia. Viewer discretion advised. http://zombietime.com/howberkeleycanyoube/

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“I cannot go on national television and broadcast state secrets for this very reason.”

But the New York Times can print state secrets and CNN can broadcast state secrets - but maybe only during Republican administrations.

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Is this an “editorial” crafted using the talking points of a corporate PR department?

Only multi-billionaire Hungarian neo-COMs like George Soros are allowed unfettered free speech… it’s gags for the rest of you Capitalist Pigs!

Discover the Networks of Marxist campaign billions @ http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/guideDesc.asp?type=funder

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If you cant give it a social security number then it cant have first amendment rights

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So, corporations do not have first amendment rights? I just want to know if that is your argument.

If so, then there should be no freedom of the press for any corporation; thus the New York Times is out of luck when they want to reveal the Pentagon Papers. Extend freedom of the press to reporters, but not to the papers. After all, they are just evil corporations that don’t deserve first amendment protections.

And the Badger Herald will stop publishing political opinions when?

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Clarence Thomas has something to say about this as well: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/us/politics/04scotus.html?hp

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Figures. Obama Relies on Jim Crow Law In Opposing Free Speech Ruling

Yeah, that is right. Barack Obama stood before the people of the United States and praised legislation introduced by a fellow Democrat who preceded him in the US Senate, one of the most vile enemies of African-Americans to ever serve in the United States Senate, a despicable man who owed his election to public office to his participation in an armed assault upon a body of black soldiers during Reconstruction and the lynching of several of these soldiers, and a dangerous demagogue who was censured for his physical assault of another Senator on the floor of the US Senate and barred from the White House over the incident.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/02/figures-obama-relies-on-jim-crow-law-in-opposing-free-speech-ruling/

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Nice mullet Jim.

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Does the kind of “wealth distribution” you fear include the government scholarship you got through undergrad on? If you didn’t have a scholarship, how about the student loans?

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Since when do bank loans involve confiscating wealth from one citizen to redistribute to others? Bank loans are legal contracts between corporations and individuals. Nobody is taxed to pay off your student loan obligation. Try to default on your loan and see what happens to your daddy’s assets when he co-signed for you, bunky.

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Just because people have to live under the system that we have does not mean they can’t oppose it.

Our wealth is redistributed by force - we have no choice about that. To say that those who are against this are not entitled to use government programs - programs they are forced to support - would be a massive injustice.

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Vote with your feet. I hear that Somalia is sunny this time of the year.

Also, bank loans that are federally backed are very different from normal bank loans (banks are generally incapable of losing money on student loans because the government will pay for it)

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FDIC is guarantor of last resort for nearly all bank loans. Try defaulting on your student loans and see what happens to your co-signer’s assets. G’head. Dare ya’. Believe me (mm, mm, mmm) Barry Soetoro ain’t picking up your tab.

The anti-Obamateur mobs are voting with their votes in Virginia, New Jersey, Massachusetts… and (next) Illinois for Barry’s old seat. Poor Barry’s not so hot in Somalia either, since he ordered the summary execution of those un-Mirandized teens at sea. You’d think Leftists would want voters to forget about Somalia.

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Didn’t address the issue

Straw man

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The primary purpose of Jim’s letter was freedom of speech and the courts defense of that. However, many of you responding to this letter are arguing about the result of the ruling to the election process. Although this is really incidental to the argument of free speech or not free speech, I’d like to make an observation of the devastating results campaign reform can do to the election process. As of now, certain qualified candidates can get their campaign finances from the government if they follow certain rules for getting the rest of their money. Whether they take the money or not there are other rules telling them how much they can get and from whom. Does anyone see a problem with this? Doesn’t that imply that the government should decide who should be allowed to run and who should not? In fact many supporters advocate that we can solve the problem by having all campaign money come from the government. If we do that, why not just cut out all the money and have the government appoint the candidate? This is not a fictitious scenario, it is what is going on and exemplifies the conflict of interest that should be of real concern. We have the fox guarding the chicken coop.

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Most contract finance law simply requires a candidate to get a certain number of signatures to qualify for campaign finance money.

I know for a fact that this is the case here in Wisconsin. The only problem is that the amount of money offered by the government is so minor as to make it a non-issue.

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To the person that said I’d like to punch you in the * face.

I believe this is a sarcastic remark, but I’m never quite sure. I don’t suppose you would like to confirm that or not. I mean it is pretty funny to make this comment about a letter on free speech and the use of force.

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Maybe not sarcasm, maybe just an adherent of the “Chicago Way”.

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This is not protecting our first amendment. the points made in this piece remind me of same type of arguments that bible thumpers use when they take the “word of god” way too literally. yes, this does in some twisted way adhere to the first amendment, but do you think our forefathers were worried about protecting the voices of the world’s largest corporations? No, the first amendment is there so the poor and the middle class are not silenced. silence is exactly what will happen to american citizens if corporations are given the ability to rule over our government; whichever way one wants to rationalize, corporations are not invidual citizens. there is this part in our brains where we all have this piece of what i like to call “common sense.” honestly, what kind of person can sit and rationalize that this decission will be better for America, better for freedom? i’m sorry the writer seems to be an intelligent person in certain ways, but if he really believes that this is what America needs he must simply be ignorant. he truly does not understand life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. we should pity people like this, not hate them.

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scapegoating

non-persuasive

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grade: f

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you are such a loser. why do you keep posting this stupid process on everyone’s posts.

“random point”

Non-persuasive…how does one persaude an idiot?

/dismissed..lol wtf is this

grade:F, again idk…you are such a tool

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Argumentum ad hominem abusive

Non-persuasive

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Grade: F-

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“It is not the power of money that wields a club and carries a gun, but the power of Washington. Corporations, regardless of their wealth, have only the power to voice their opinions and persuade others;…”

Why do these corporations maintain this power? MONEY! The age old saying ‘money is power and power is money’ should not be forgotten. What is important to take from this case is the fact that big corporations are being heard (and with constitutional rights to back them up) while the average citizen (with a worth in assets that is less than Monopoly money to these big companies) are rarely given the opportunity to affect legislation directly.

It all comes down to money. It fuels almost every decision made in congress, whether we like it or not.

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“Why do these corporations maintain this power?”

What power? The power to voice their views? Ignore them if you don’t like their views. They have no other power as corporations.

“It all comes down to money. It fuels almost every decision made in congress, whether we like it or not. “

No, it comes down to the coercive power that has been granted to government. And it’s not “whether we like it or not;” we can advocate for a different government.

Instead of calling for more government coercion to “fight” the existing government coercion, we can advocate for a government that is restricted from having such power.

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So your solution to congress functionally taking bribes is to facilitate the process because government is a-priori bad? I’d agree with you that coercion is bad, but corporate money is one of the most coercive forces I can think of.

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Give me an example of how corporate money coerces?

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It induces the weak willed and greedy into exerting coercion, especially the very government coercion you have fled to your shack in Montana to avoid. Like a pipe bomb on a playground it is not necessarily dangerous until it is used. That said, it should be banned because there is no positive use of it.

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Psst. That’s not an example.

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Everything that’s ever come through the EPA, or for an example a paultard might care about - the corporate interests that helped push the Federal Reserve and your hated ‘fiat’ money. Corporate trade interests have pushed the change from the gold standard to the floating standard.

I’m just glad that libertarians have about zero chance of reproduction, you guys voting America into a third world country would suck.

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Not every corporation has or maintains power. Horse and buggy manufacturers don’t wield much of a voice anymore. And most businesses ultimately fail.

So, where do successful corporations get money? Do they coerce it from you, like government does? No! They offer goods and services that other folks need or desire and accept payments.

In other words, they EARN it. And they have certainly earned a voice in the marketplace of ideas.

Conversely, the parasitical political class confiscates wealth (through taxation) and then have the temerity to climb up on their hind legs and try to silence through demonization campaigns against taxpayers.

Don’t be a toady for Big Gov tyrants your whole life.

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corporations earned it, lol…some did, at some point in history. “earn” is a very subjective word, and you even used the word “folks” so you must love sarah palin (which is not a terrible thing, she is a good person just not very bright) anyway do you even know how corporations work or where most of these major corporations came from? you are also confusing privately owned businesses with corporations…not the same thing. damn, do some research and rethink what you are actually saying.

reductio ad ridiculum

non-persuasive

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Grade: F

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I don’t really care what Jim Allard has to say—I can always decline to read his bullshit. However, I do have a real concern that I might run into Jim Allard on the street someday. I can never un-see a coif like that.

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Argumentum ad hominem abusive

Non-persuasive

/dismissed

Grade: F-

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played out thesis ad hoc

legalise mumbo jumbo

semi entertaining at first

/we get it

Grade: C

(hey that was kinda fun!)

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wow, the hatred.

in the words of chief justice john marshall, “we must never forget that it’s a constitution we’re expounding” (MARBURY V. MADISON). the constitution, through previous rulings, has held that corporations are legal persons entitled to some constitutional rights. all citizens united v. fec did was say, corporations maintain a same right to engage in political speech as natural persons. furthermore, the case signaled the end to a stratification of speech in which political speech was held in lesser regard than obscenities, pornography and offensive speech. those who claim to respect and adhere to the constitution should be celebrating such a ruling as citizens. i certainly am as i am sure former justice hugo black is from the grave. but the fall-out from this, as evident by the numerous replies to this article, just show how many on the far-left hold corporations and, now, the constitution in contempt. though the new york times editorialized the case as a “blow to democracy”, it is the far-left’s blinded consequentialist predisposition here that is a “blow to democracy”. and for all those fire-breathers out there, how many actually have taken the time to read the opinions and dissents? huh? if i were a betting man, i would put a lot of money that nearly none have. go read it and come back with informed opinions, not just political spite regurgitated from what you read on the huffington post, the new republic, mother jones, new york times or actually saw on msnbc.

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Just a reminder. The only reason money can influence congress is because government is involved in things not permitted by the constitution. Let’s get the government out of economics and get them back in defending freedom, including free speech as the court has suggested. Hard to imagine that even banking was private as recent as 1913 when the Federal reserve was created. Yes we actually survived without central banking.

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Hard to think that there used to be a Federal Bank called the Bank of America chartered at the very founding of America.

There was also a constitutional debate then (Maryland v. McCulloch), the court found that there could be a national bank.

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Why is this hard to think?

These Federal banks were primarily created to finance wars, were furiously contested on constitutional grounds and dismantled in short order. Free banking was the rule.

Today it’s just the opposite. Every aspect of banking is controlled and the entire fiat money supply is manipulated by politicians to finance their spending sprees.

Worse, most people accept this state of affairs, having lost the principled view re the role of government that was instrumental in the founding of this country.

Now that’s hard to think!

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“Putting aside his pompous disregard for separation of powers and the standard list of leftist villains, we find a gross inversion of where power actually lies.” Such a true statement. Thanks for writing this, Jim. Great work.

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“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: ‘The Lord of the Rings’ and ‘Atlas Shrugged.’ One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”

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Well, Jim Allard, it’s quite evident you have no problem with government, as long as government is manifested by a Judicial Branch that “validates” the absurd, self-serving, pathological and destructive notion of “Corporate Personhood.” You’re all FOR a Supreme Corporate Court that eliminates the minimal existing limitations on corporate campaign donations. You’re all FOR a government branch or agency that allows massive, obscenely wealthy institutions like Exxon-Mobil or Microsoft to exercise unlimited influence in Congress. Or the Executive. Or any other aspect of the American political process.

Your “reasoning,” to the effect that these often monstrous entities are simply composed of numerous individuals is transparently specious. Sure, a few individuals, like New York Mayor and media mogul Bloomberg, Microsoft honcho Bill Gates, and currency-trader/political activist/”philanthropist” George Soros have the kind of megabucks it takes to game the system. But financial behemoths who can assume the role of big-time players are the exception, not the rule. I haven’t that kind of money, power and influence; ironically, neither do you, unless you’re a lot wealthier than anyone ever dreamed.

Thanks to this Court’s disgusting ruling, which you salivate over, the impending mid-term congressional elections promise to be more compromised than ever. We can expect the airwaves to become absolutely flooded with advertisements, bought by the highest bidders. This socio-economic arrangement, which you label “Freedom” is really the economic analog of a political philosophy known as Fascism. It’s corporate hegemony at its worst, where you can have just as much “democracy” as you can purchase! The situation here in the United States is now doomed to become yet more pyramidal, more hierarchical, with the huge money interests running ever more rampant in their insatiable quest to control EVERYTHING. To OWN people, places and things. To patent living creatures. To destroy the environment to an extent that will make the Exxon Valdez spill or the Three Mile Island Meltdown look like minor glitches.

In general, it’s time to ABOLISH once and for all the absurd and twisted notion that corporations are persons! If that were true, and they ARE homo-sapiens, when can we “arrest” Goldman-Sachs for embezzlement or jaywalking? Better yet, when can we sentence AIG to death for massive fraud and for “his” role in bringing on the current global recession?

R.I.P. “Democracy.”

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In the words of Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Corporations offer goods and services in a free market that citizens need or desire and accept payments. In other words, they EARN their voice. And thereby earn a proporationate voice in the marketplace of ideas.

Conversely, the Leftist political class confiscates wealth (through taxation) and then have the temerity to climb up on their hind legs and try to silence taxpayers through Marxist demonization campaigns.

Fascism is Leftist. It’s what happens when Marxists control corporations. The evidence clearly demonstrates that the 20th century’s bloodiest mass murderers— Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Honneker, Mussolini, Caeucescu, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi, il Sung, Mugabe, Mengistu, Castro, Che, PFLP, PKK, FMLN, FARC, IRA, ETA, Red Army faction, Shining Path, Rachel Carson, etc., ad nauseum— were all inspired by Leftist Marxism.

100 million corpses don’t lie. Show some intellectual honesty and own it, Leftist.

Gotta’ admire the audacity of conflating responsible corporate actors— like Carnegie Foundation donor Michael Bloomberg— with the street thuggery of Soros’ MoveOn.org goons.

Breathtaking.

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“Three Mile Island Meltdown”

What ARE you talking about. The hysterical reaction to a minor release of radioactivity stopped all nuclear power plant construction. The coal fueled plants built instead actually resulted in releasing huge amounts of radioactivity and mercury, killing amany more people than nuclear power would have. Not to mention the huge difference in CO2.

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Not one soul perished because of 3 Mile Island… not one.

By that metric (mm, mm, mmm) Barack Hussein Obama summarily executed 300% more un-Mirandized Somali teens than the worst nuclear accident in US history.

The Obamateur is quantifiably more deadly than nuclear power.

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Great article, Jim. And kudos to “Argumentum ad baculum” and “ad hominem” for nailing the spurious responses. Let me double-check something here: Those attacking comments were from college students? Reminds me more of junior high / middle school thugs who “think” with their their fists instead of their minds.

Come on, people. Act like you’re civilized.

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Google that nutcase’s IP hash (yes it’s the same person). They have a lot of experience with shrill spurious arguments.

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shrill? moi? example please… or do you reflexively fling gratuitous slanders through the bars of your mental cage w/o a shred of evidence?

take you haldol

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Apparently corporations buying advertisements FORCES you to vote for whatever they advocate for. But I’m sure all the Commies on this post would NEVER vote for what a corporation says. So where’s the coercion?? In the end, it is the voters, not the advertisements, who are responsible for electing representatives. So if you don’t like your government (I don’t) blame yourself, not Exxon Mobil.

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American voters could be swindled into believing that something as obviously proven as evolution or global warming was false if you threw enough money at the issue.

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Global warming is false.

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you’re false.

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evolution <> global warming

i.e.

Credibility is what’s really melting Take the disappearing Himalayan glaciers. Turns out that ‘research’ was idle speculation.

Whenever I write about “climate change,” a week or two later there’s a flurry of letters whose general line is: la-la-la can’t hear you. Dan Gajewski of Ottawa provided a typical example in our Dec. 28 issue. I’d written about the East Anglia Climatic Research Unit’s efforts to “hide the decline,” and mentioned that Phil Jones, their head honcho, had now conceded what I’d been saying for years—that there has been no “global warming” since 1997. Tim Flannery, Australia’s numero uno warm-monger, subsequently confirmed this on Oz TV, although he never had before.

“Climate change” is not a story of climate change, which has been a fact of life throughout our planet’s history. It is a far more contemporary story about the corruption of science and “peer review” by hucksters, opportunists and global-government control-freaks. I can see what’s in it for Dr. Pachauri and professor Hasnain, and even for the lowly Environmental Correspondent enjoying a cozy sinecure at a time of newspaper cutbacks in everything from foreign bureaus to arts coverage.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/02/03/credibility-is-what-is-really-melting/

Great Ganesha’s trunk! Leave it to free speech censors on the Left to defend globaloney. Their evidence of human-induced climate change has been exposed as pernicious Orwellian nonsense. Yet the globaloney cultists fabricated their data; but still have the temerity to climb up on their hind legs and howl that the other side are “deniers.” Talk about psychological projection.

And what’s with their “settled science” mantra? Science is inherently NOT “settled.” It is always open to skeptical inquiry.

Satire: “Scientists at Climatic Research Unit Say ‘Unequivocal Evidence’ Confirms Earth is Threatened by Giant Homework-Eating Dogs” http://optoons.blogspot.com/search/label/global%20warming

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Brava Jim Allard! The seething, unhinged responses from Leftists on this thread are undeniable evidence that your commentary hit the mark. Bulls-eye!

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this guy needs to get laid. and assuming he doesn’t, he will probably go back to wacking off with the $100 bills that his rich daddy sends him every week.

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That is tragic. What’d your mom raise her prices again?

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Ironic that Idiotarian, the person who spent all of his time writing about the horror of spurious and ad hominem arguments is writing this.

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Under rules of logic, employing gratuitious ad hominem abusive opens one to equally gratuitous retort. There’s nothing ironic about remaining logical.

Try to pay attention.

Grade: F

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There’s simply no logic in 5b3702d7 spitting ad hominem at the author: “You’re being a confrontational idiot”

Conversely, under rules of logic, 5b3702d7 has foolishly openned itself to equally gratuitously abusive rejoinder.

Under rules of logic, readers may feel to pelt 5b3702d7 with abuse without reservation.

Here endeth the lesson.

Grade: F-

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Idiotarian, I think you may be confusing ‘the rules of logic’ with the rules of ‘what goes around comes around.’

I don’t really mind the ad-hominems against me because I HAVE actually introduced real arguments which have led to fumbling, irrational, and down right laughable responses.

I got an A in econ 101 & 102.

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The funny thing is 5b3702d7, that as I trace your arguments, it becomes obvious that you have actually nothing to say. But the sad thing is, is that it doesn’t quite seem like you are aware that you haven’t made any cohesive points whatsoever.

“I don’t really mind the ad-hominems against me because I HAVE actually introduced real arguments which have led to fumbling, irrational, and down right laughable responses”

I thought this was by the guy who first was commenting on the bad logic of people. But, as I see it’s from you, 5b3702d7, it makes it all the more sad.

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Very nice article Jim. One of your best.

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Let me get this straight… the same people who argue that unions of laborers voicing an opinion as a single entity by utilizing their collective labor are an abomination to the free market also believe that allowing large and powerful groups of businessmen to voice an opinion as one entity with their collective pool of money is a perfectly allowable thing in the free market of ideas? If you say so…

Corporations are not humans. Corporations don’t have rights; humans have rights. A corporation does not have freedom of speech (kind of a moot point, since a corporation can’t speak), but the humans making up the corporation are free to speak for themselves under the first amendment. The only way I can see a “corporation” having any sort of voice is if that voice is the unanimous consensus of every individual comprising that corporation. Otherwise, we just simply have individuals giving their opinion and backed by their own buying power, just like everyone else.

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Way to chase a wild goose with a red herring around a flaming strawman… but nobody here argued that unions are “an abomination to the free market.” Nor is freedom of association limited to labor unions— much as Marxists wish it to be so.

Is the only way you can see a “union” having any sort of voice is “if that voice is the unanimous consensus” of every individual comprising that union?

Pernicious nonsense.

Try harder.

/quod idiocy demonstrandum

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“but the humans making up the corporation are free to speak for themselves under the first amendment.”

They are also free to speak as a group, or anyway they dang-well feel like. That’s what free speech means.

“The only way I can see a “corporation” having any sort of voice is if that voice is the unanimous consensus of every individual comprising that corporation.”

There’s no basis for this. Like any association of individuals, joining the association (in this case becoming a shareholder) means you agree to the rules on how the decisions of that association will be made. If you don’t like the rules or opinions being expressed you can leave the association.

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Yeah, if you don’t like what a corporation says you are free to sell your stock or stop buying from it.

If you don’t agree with your union’s political activities you can do - not much.

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Great article Jim

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