see hears the problem with the far left win: its because people are ready for our Agenda, down with the capitalist pigs! lose: its because people are not ready for out Agenda, evil capitalist pigs!

the amount of cognitive dissonance from the PD/far left is amazing

howwwwww dareeeeeeee you question jabba the SZAR!!!!!!!!!!!

Shoo-in.

The left has an arrogance of its own. They just don’t like to think of it that way. Personally, I’m fed up with both liberals and conservatives. They’ve both taken turns stabbing everyone in the back.

This is what happens when you try to sort everyone into just a few categories, Liberal or Conservative. The fact of the matter is that many people (the smart ones) actually decide how they view a particular issue based on that issue and not because the identify themselves as of a particular political ideal.

I identify my self as liberal, but my views on immigration are more conservative then most on the left.

The people that get angry over a politician they voted for not agreeing with them 100% of the time are the same folks that think that if you are a liberal or conservitive then all of your thoughts should align in only a liberal or conservitive way. Thoughtful and deliberative people just don’t think that way.

I for instance was initially very angry that President Obama said that CIA operatives that tortured prisoners would not be prosecuted because they were told it was legal by the DOJ. (Although the Nazi guards on trial at Nuremberg could not use that as a defense). As long as the criminals from the DOJ that told the CIA to go ahead with the torture, I’ll feel as if justice has been served.

Obama is fraudulent.

Bagram=Gitmo

look up Bagram. same as Gitmo, just in a different place

Im not certain where this was heading, but it appears to be some finger pointing anyways. Madison may appear liberal from outside perspective, but runs with no idealogy other than self preservation. Elected or not, Dane county has more people on the taxpayers payroll than most capital cities of states twice our size. That says it all. Ive been asking leadership to look at itself for along time, but that would require looking past their pension dates and lifetime healthcare benefits. But thats another issue.

Without addressing any of the absurdities in this article, numerous PDers backed Obama’s candidacy, including Brenda Konkel’s campaign manager and the PD Election’s chair. PD membership has always been a mix of all sorts of different people on the left. Zach, you really should try to check in with reality before writing. This is a hack piece based on some ridiculous caricatures.

Progressive Dane has always been an organization based on pragmatism and getting things done. It’s things like PD county supervisors pushing for the 911 Center audit and the 1% COLA increase for human services, PD alders trying to prevent the bus fare hike, or pushing for more opportunities for meaningful public involvement at all levels of local government. That why, for example, PD wouldn’t back a candidate against Brian Solomon on the city council because he’s a good progressive, even though he’s not a PD alder.

The amount of cognitive dissonance from the obsessive anti-PD people is astounding.

I’d like to weigh in with a couple points: 1. The local angle. Let’s just keep in mind that the actual basic political platforms of Bridget Maniaci and Brenda Konkel were not all that different. What Mayor Dave (who together with the Madison Police Union endorsed evicting Brenda) really objected to was the fact that Alderwoman Konkel wasn’t the kind of suffering, sychophantic suck-up that he prefers. Boss Cieslewicz desires the kind of alderwoman who agrees with the “strong mayor” on nearly every issue rather than standing on principle when she has bona fide objections and concerns. Let’s also remember that the actual electoral results were quite close - Maniaci won by what, 50 votes? Hardly a major mandate! No slur against Bridget, but it’s beginning to look like Cieslewicz insists his alderwomen be young, dumb and subservient.

1. The national angle. I voted for Obama, for reasons that might seem obvious - consider the alternative! Not to mention the salient issue of the US Supreme Court - can you imagine the kind of nominee McCain would endorse, when Justice Stevens (88 or 89 years old and I’m guessing soon to retire) and Justice Ginsburg leave the bench? Attila the Hun in black robes! But I digress, big time. What’s really important is that one does not have to be a leftist to object to Obama’s recent accomodationism, whether on granting amnesty to CIA torturers, letting the NSA off the hook for illegal wiretapping, or retaining a significant number of very heinous Bush-regime policies generally. I am not necessarily a raving radical because I believe Obama’s deploying thousands more American troops to Afghanistan is worse than a fools errand - it’s a damn lethal and destructive foreign policy blunder. If we can’t learn from the historic ass-whuppings doled out to the Brits in the 19th century and the Soviets 25 years ago, when will we ever learn? And the unmanned aerial drone attacks on defenseless civilians in both Afghanistan and Pakistan are a contemptible, cowardly way to wage a war of aggression on the cheap. These are my genuine convictions, which transcend political labels to a substantial degree. And continuing the Dracula, er, Bush/Cheney administration’s policy of trillion-dollar corporate welfare to the likes of A.I.G. and Goldman Sachs is an outrage that understandably made many registered dems AND repubs see red. Russ Feingold and Herb Kohl both opposed the most recent round of bailouts.

Obama is an intelligent, articulate, relatively reasonable President, but he is all of those things specifically in contrast to the insane, greedy, murderous, scandalously damaging neocons who preceeded him. He is not, and should not be regarded as a sacred cow. Let’s “hold his feet to the flame,” when he is demonstrably WRONG, as he has already been on several notable occasions! Sincerely, Dan A. Goldstein, Madison resident and self-professed political pragmatist.

Barry Ho is just a ward heeler from the Chicago Machine, nothing more, nothing less.

Look for Illinois to get BIG money for the next four years, probably eight.

That is all.

Unless they get the 22nd Amendment changed to allow Barry HO to be President for Life, like his new BFF from Venezuela, then it’ll get REAL interesting.

nd the unmanned aerial drone attacks on defenseless civilians in both Afghanistan and Pakistan are a contemptible, cowardly way to wage a war of aggression on the cheap.

Cowardly way to wage a war, when your elitist ass is the one being shot at instead of using a drone let’s see how you feel about it then.