Madison culture needs to change

Ben White
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by Ben White
Monday, October 20, 2008 00:00

Our city of Madison prides itself on being a beacon of progressivism, and our university is much the same. An ideology dating back to the early 20th century days of Robert LaFollette and University of Wisconsin President Charles Van Hise, the Wisconsin Idea declared that our university should be used as a tool geared toward the social benefit of the entire state. As time has passed, however, we seem to have transformed the idealistic nature of early 20th-century Progressivism into a dogmatic, political, liberal ideology that leaves little room for defection.

State Rep. Steve Nass, R-Whitewater, summed it up nicely in an editorial in this newspaper last year: the “days of balance on campus have now been replaced by a liberal theology that has no room for independent or conservative ideas.” Nass even goes so far as to say that this “has begun to transform the educational process — particularly at UW-Madison.” While I certainly veer strongly away from the policies Nass advocates, he does make an interesting point regarding the lack of ideological diversity on campus.

For such a “liberal” place, we tend to be extremely close-minded, altogether rejecting and in some cases threatening those who offer up viewpoints different from our own. There is no locale that better demonstrates this than our community’s reaction to scholarly speakers who reflect ideas that contrast with typical Madisonian opinion. Whenever such an apparently confrontational speaker comes to town, he or she is habitually met with attacks not on their judgment but on their inherent racism, prejudice or whatever-ism is deemed appropriate. It’s an example of Madison liberals using radical us-vs.-them tactics to scare away anyone who threatens the vitality of the so-called progressivism of Madison.

The situation continually recurs. Last week, Robert Spencer came in to Madison to speak about the topic of his book, in which he questions the manner in which we view Islamic fundamentalism. His ideas were politically incorrect, but they were not ones that warranted such strong opposition. Spencer offered a logically coherent thesis and laid out the intellectual background of his research, yet no such logically coherent counter to his argument was made. He was simply cast off as a prejudiced hack representing fear-mongering and hate speech.

When we react this way to someone who simply offers a viewpoint opposed to ours, we severely hinder our chances for successful personal growth and immersion into the world outside of Madison’s borders. Yet, we do this with astonishing frequency, and it is certainly not limited to campus visitors. It should be noted that the amount of hatred that someone like Spencer or David Horowitz, for that matter, calls for is nothing compared to the utter animosity a student would face on campus for wearing a John McCain pin on their jacket. While many have lambasted Gov. Sarah Palin for her us-vs.-them mentality when she childishly said she only likes visiting the “pro-American” places of our country, we commit the same atrocity on a daily basis. We simply do not question why they hold the political stances that our opponents do; we attack them personally. We laugh at, ridicule and respond without reasoned thought toward anyone who holds contrasting viewpoints. If you find this hard to believe, simply read the hate-filled responses to the extremely limited amount of editorials advocating the McCain-Palin ticket in our student newspapers.

In 2007, conservative author Dinesh D’Souza came to campus to speak, well aware of the liberal tradition prevalent in Madison. He said then that Madison “is where my ideas are most needed, [and] what I’m going to do is challenge assumptions and force people to defend their views.” What D’Souza probably noticed, however, is that our assumptions have gotten so deep that people see no need to defend them; this is an unfortunate problem.

I am certainly proud to believe that the policy positions of the left lead to the type of society that I desire; that is why I tend to vote Democratic. The fact that others envision a different society than I do, however, does not attest to their inherent malevolence. It is not only unfair but irrational to suppose that because someone disagrees with you, they are somehow not worthy of respectful and reasoned opposition. We have a culture in Madison in which those who think differently than us are castigated as backward, stupid or ignorant, but when we immediately dismiss one’s ideas without consideration, we do nothing but demonstrate our own lack of reason and our own ignorance.


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Anonymous (October 19, 2008 @ 11:52pm):

Madison is proof that liberals are extremist assholes. Ask them to prove it and they'll do so gladly.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 12:07am):

Thank you. I came to this university thinking that people would be open minded and that I would be able to engage in open conversation with people. To some extent I have but I've found that many many people here have the us vs them attitude you wrote about. This university needs to start to relax and take a look at itself

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 12:32am):

So true! Many liberals on campus preach open-mindedness, but cringe at anyone who voices a differing opinion.

It's sad.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 1:20am):

The difference between sound ideas (conservative and liberal) and those that are just off the deep end is like the difference between old school country music and Biilly Ray Cyrus.

Back in the day there was a craft to songwriting and to singing - a poetry that told the story. Now it seems that all country music is are novelty songs by one hit wonders that are pounded into your brain against your will, having barely a claim to the old label that is pinned upon them.

Likewise, the difference between sound conservative ideas that deal with the connection to traditions of freedom, small government and the conservation of resources , and the unsound ideas of Horowitz and his ilk, is his lack of connection to that tradition, and instead a focus on a totalitarian worldview of us versus them, exploitation of resources and people, and a focus on profit over everything.
If people fought and died in the revolutionary war, it was to defend the rights of anyone to protest. You may think us "liberals", "socialists" or what-have-you. Some of us however, are in our hearts conservatives that have become fed up with flash in the pan polemicist politics. It is costing our party the control of the congress and of the white house.

And if liberals or whoever protest, they are doing us a favor because they are drowning out the incessant noise from the unreasonable fringes. If david horowitz got more play in the mainstream press, the GOP would be the laughing stock of the entire country.

Those in the Conservative movement that you seek to defend are not worthy of the ink that you have pressed to the pages. You condemn your fellow liberals for being intolerant, when in fact they are responding as is human nature to very intolerant people. Fire is fought with fire.
These polemicists are not worthy of our party. They are here to make a quick buck and then laugh behind our backs. That liberals shout them down is as it should be. What remains after the din has drown out the self-rightous such as D'Sousa will surely be a more focused and insightful set of writers that will speak to something greater than the falsehood that "obama is a muslim."

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 2:43am):

when one points out that speakers such as spencer may be very generous with the boundaries of truth, people like ben white chastise them for being intolerant. why? when? I was at the event and Spencer was not stopped once from speaking his mind and, on occasion, was the one interupting questioner's points.

this column seems to imply that people with opposing views are the only providers of reasoned argument...even if their reasoning rests on half-truths (such as spencer) and sheer lack of knowledge mixed with country hokum (palin). You do not need respected reasoning to counter their assertions, you need information. In Spencer's case, he purposely doesnt provide this information in the name of strengthening his logical yet unreasonable scare-mongering thesis (that a Muslim in the White House may try to dictate Sharia law and that means the end of the Constitution and we may all die.) If you disagree with that assertion, you did not attend the lecture to hear him say essentially "yes, there are other sources, but I would be here for 4 hours explaining it to you."... ammar summed it up so nicely saying, "we would much appreciate it if you would."

I did not notice any concrete examples in which any 'madison liberal's-'immediately dismiss ideas without consideration'

in summation, poor effort in trying to be a reasonable voice

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 6:23am):

Sir, do you want Madison to be "more American"? If so, you and Sarah Palin have offended nearly 50% of this country, real Americans with progressive ideals. Do you want the University to support the status quo, to turn back the clocks to the "good old days"?

Would you rather live in Tuscaloosa, Alabama (real America) or Madison, Wisconsin? I think you and the backwards thinkers who yearn for guns and God to rule this nation, rather than a civilized peace-loving democracy, need to reconsider your position.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 7:22am):

If you're taking the arguments of Steve Nass seriously, you lose the debate by default.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 8:09am):

Since when has liberal meant "open minded"? Does this mean that conservatives are "closed minded"? Quit thinking hippies and get a better understanding of what liberal means, kiddies--then write your opinion articles. K?

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 8:46am):

There's no reason people need to be open to the racist, sexist and fundamentally flawed policy of conservatives. Republican extremists are constantly calling for open-mindedness when their policies preclude and exclude the maximum number of Americans from the political process.

Just look at McCain and Palin with their "pro-America" parts of the country, the "real" virginia, etc etc. Conservative policies are designed to divide and conquer and all rational people see that.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 9:55am):

loves it

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 10:03am):

Today's typical Madison Leftists bear zero resemblance to traditional "liberalism." Ironically, it is the American conservative movement which upholds "Madisonian" principles of western civilization.

Today's progressive Leftists lean toward either soft-socialism or Marxist-fascism; which explains their reflex to confiscate wealth from productive members of society; and "redistribute" it (as surrogate plutocrats) to their dependent class minions.

To call these Leftist neo-fascists "liberal" is an insult to the principled liberalism of John Locke, Adam Smith, David Hume, Edmund Burke, James Madison, Friedrich von Hayek, Milton Friedman and Ronald Reagan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

"As a supreme, if unintended compliment, the enemies of the system of private enterprise have thought it wise to appropriate its label."
-- Joseph Schumpeter --

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 10:06am):

"Fascists," "Brownshirts," "jackbooted stormtroopers"-- such are the insults typically hurled at conservatives by their liberal opponents. Calling someone a fascist is the fastest way to shut them up, defining their views as beyond the political pale. But who are the real fascists in our midst?

"Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left" offers a startling new perspective on the theories and practices that define fascist politics.
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0385511841&usg=AFQjCNG3ZzNV35wdW3BT967ixsvKt6eG-w

Replacing conveniently manufactured myths with surprising and enlightening research, Jonah Goldberg reminds us that the original fascists were really on the left, and that liberals from Woodrow Wilson to FDR to Hillary Clinton have advocated policies and principles remarkably similar to those of Hitler's National Socialism and Mussolini's Fascism.

Contrary to what most people think, the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term "National socialism"). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities--where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.

Do these striking parallels mean that today's liberals are genocidal maniacs, intent on conquering the world and imposing a new racial order? Not at all. Yet it is hard to deny that modern progressivism and classical fascism shared the same intellectual roots. We often forget, for example, that Mussolini and Hitler had many admirers in the United States. W.E.B. Du Bois was inspired by Hitler's Germany, and Irving Berlin praised Mussolini in song. Many fascist tenets were espoused by American progressives like John Dewey and Woodrow Wilson, and FDR incorporated fascist policies in the New Deal.

Fascism was an international movement that appeared in different forms in different countries, depending on the vagaries of national culture and temperament. In Germany, fascism appeared as genocidal racist nationalism. In America, it took a "friendlier," more liberal form. The modern heirs of this "friendly fascist" tradition include the New York Times, the Democratic Party, the Ivy League professoriate, and the liberals of Hollywood. The quintessential Liberal Fascist isn't an SS storm trooper; it is a female grade school teacher with an education degree from Brown or Swarthmore.

These assertions may sound strange to modern ears, but that is because we have forgotten what fascism is.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 11:50am):

@10:06,

You lost me at the moment you quoted Jonah Goildberg. He certainly has no axe to grind in light of his complete hyperbole.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 12:32pm):

"Those in the Conservative movement that you seek to defend are not worthy of the ink that you have pressed to the pages."

right there is the exact type of rediculousness being talked about. For some reason ppl in Madison are brainwashed so intensly that the only approach they see as right is the liberal approach. Ppl in Madison need to gain some perspective, everyone is like a little child here.

Conservative principles are not evil and people who are conservative are not bad ppl. Yes the current government has done some terrible things but they have done so while straying from conservatism. A true conservative believes in small government and limited spending; the Bush administration has been just the opposite and has now dipped their hand in the socialism basket with the basic nationalism of the bank system. Real conservatism has NOTHING to do with ANY of the following issues: abortion, gun control, immigration, etc. These are issues that certain ppl calling themselves conservatives have HIGHJACKED in order to attract people to their political party when doing so is actually against their true material interest.

Liberals must admit that true conservatism has helped our economy in the past and has assisted in leading us to our status of superpower.

Madisonians need to understand that conservatives and liberals WANT THE SAME THING in principle and just disagree how to get there. Liberals believe we can work collectively to benefit the individual and conservatives believe we can work individually to benefit the collective. Neither is evil, irrational, or stupid; its just a difference in opinion. But do not conflate what the Bush adminstration has done with conservatism, they are drastically opposed to one another.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 12:33pm):

Godwin's Law:
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 12:44pm):

@ 10:06am: I think YOU have forgotten what fascism is. Fascism != Socialism.

In fascism, people are subordinates of the state. In socialism, the government is a necessary evil needed to protect the people.

If you extend the Democratic Party out on a political spectrum, you get Socialism. If you extend Neoconservatives out on a political spectrum, you get Fascism.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 1:47pm):

Maybe it would be more productive to call out the people who perpetuate this sort of campus atmosphere rather than simply condemn us all as "closed-minded" liberals. Those who shout down conservative speakers should be made to understand that their closed-mindedness will not be tolerated and that they have no right to prevent others from speaking. Ben, you completely punted on the issue of personal responsibility, and it's very telling that you didn't name any names and chose instead to lay blame on almost the entire campus community. Wasting column inches to tell people that there is some sort of communal problem will not provoke greater awareness or understanding, much less a change in atmosphere.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 2:14pm):

this might be the best article ive heard since coming to school here...it couldnt be more true. i avoid discussing politics here because i am more conservative and would get harassed. it is really a growing problem on our campus, and it makes me not want to vote. so way to go madison, youre making people not want to vote. happy?

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 2:41pm):

Ben, did you write all of these comments? 90% of them are in support of your actual argument, even if they're telling you how much they hated the article. Well done, sir.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 2:45pm):

Ben,

You hit on precisely why I left Madison, and the previous comments attacking you confirm that my decision to leave for Washington was the right one.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 2:58pm):

Spencer didn't say "a Muslim in the White House may try to dictate Sharia law and that means the end of the Constitution and we may all die." And Ammar agreed with him that the death sentence for apostasy is the dominant and mainstream view in Islam.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 3:01pm):

god liberals are the worst. please take a shower and stop complaining about everything. love, a non-greek, non coastie, pretty moderate midwestern person. now what? you cannot judge that description...can you?

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 3:24pm):

How can you call someone close-minded for opposing close-mindedness? That doesn't make sense, think about it.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 6:06pm):

Yo 2:14. You had a decent comment until you said that it makes you not want to vote. Why would you let outspoken liberals prevent you from voting? Not voting would be counter-productive.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 8:23pm):

I'm a liberal.

Liberalism is not socialism, and socialism is not communism, which is what you're trying to blast.

Economic policies are always going to be under debate, and I laud the willingness to keep an open debate about what the heck to do with our nation's resources of any sort. Our country's needs shift from decade to decade.

Where I take issue, though, is the deep divide between liberals and conservatives on social policies. I will always be more strident and aggressive against social conservatives than I am against economic conservatives, largely because many of these issues deal with things that transcend the economy - they deal with more fundamental human rights, such as the right to be treated equally, the right to impact one's community, the right to reproductive control, the rights guaranteed by the first amendment, and the right to access information.

Anonymous (October 20, 2008 @ 8:30pm):

Those who oppose close-mindedness are obviously not being very open-minded about it.

Anonymous (October 21, 2008 @ 6:14pm):

12:44pm Wrong! If you extend the Democratic Party out on a political spectrum, you get fascism. If you extend Neo-conservatism out on a political spectrum, you get libertarianism.

Much as I dislike Ron Paul, there is no history of libertarian gulags.

Fascism is Leftist. Own it.
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id9.html

Anonymous (October 22, 2008 @ 1:55pm):

@6:14pm: No. If you extend ACTUAL conservatism on a political spectrum you get libertarianism.

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