“When we as students consider the absurdity that is organized religion, what do we think of?”

Irrationality and intellectual dishonesty. Whether religion is arguably a force for good doesn’t make it true. It’s a celebration of self-deception and delusion.

Idiotarian @ 3:16am drooled: “Whether religion is arguably a force for good doesn’t make it true. It’s a celebration of self-deception and delusion.”

As opposed to atheistic Marxism, whose “rational” force brought the world 100s of millions of innocent corpses (and counting).

The evidence clearly demonstrates that the 20th century’s bloodiest mass murderers— Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Honneker, Mussolini, Caeucescu, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi, il Sung, Mugabe, Mengistu, Castro, Che, PFLP, PKK, FMLN, FARC, IRA, ETA, Red Army faction, Shining Path, Rachel Carson, etc., ad nauseum— were all inspired by atheistic Marxism.

100 million corpses don’t lie. Show us that “intellectual honesty” and own it, atheists.

But if there is a God, then atheism is self-delusion. Who’s to say Christians and Jews aren’t ultimately right on this issue?

Er, what god?

‘Faith’ implies an absence of logic and reason.

This, folks, is why I’m an atheist - because illogicity is something I cannot stand for, and religion arguably does more harm than good by deluding people with falsehoods.

good article, Gerald

well written article

8:06 - Hitler, Mussolini, Ceaucescu, Mugabe, PFLP, PKK, IRA, and ETA were or are Christian individuals or organizations.

Get your history right.

-an atheist who is intensely pissed at your lack of historical knowledge and your failed attempt to justify your prejudices against atheism

“Faith, as I see it, demands, at its most base, a loving relationship with the Divine and the earthly.”

All that high-handed rhetorical set up, just to beg the question in favor of God’s existence? Faith, in its dialectical opposition to reason, is utterly worthless as a methodology for determining truth. The object of faith is simply selected, whether it exists or not—indeed, whether it is logically possible or not! Until you demonstrate the existence of the object of your faith, it means absolutely nothing to any reasonable person.

12:04pm is historically wrong.

Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Honneker, Mussolini, Caeucescu, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi, il Sung, Mugabe, Mengistu, Castro, Che, PFLP, PKK, FMLN, FARC, IRA, ETA, Red Army faction, Shining Path, Rachel Carson, etc., ad nauseum were ALL inspired by atheistic Marxism— not Christianity.

Own it, beeyotch.

Is 12:04pm irrationally pissed (or intellectually dishonest) about the murderous, atheistic motivations of Lenin, Stalin, Honneker, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi, il Sung, Mengistu, Castro, Che, FMLN, FARC, Red Army faction, Shining Path and Rachel Carson?

Was Marx a Bible thumping Christian?

Dr. John Ray has exhaustively demonstrated that Hitler was a Marxist. http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id9.html

The IRA and ETA were both atheistic Marxists (read their manifestos).

The rest of them were also socialists of one Marxist flavor or another.

That’s one big steaming pile of corpses your dogs left in history’s living room. Own it.

Mad atheists I see, that seems to be the trend…

great article

But as there is hypocracy in religion, there is hypocrisy in everything. The hypocritcal aspect that goes with organized religion has been my main hardship when the question of “what to define myself as” arises. I’ve chosen to just go with believer. A believer that knows that the human race is not the almighty ruler and that there is something, much much bigger than the “logical and rational” side can comprehend.

8:06am’s reasoning:

1. Marxism is atheistic.
2. Marxism inspired certain atrocities [let’s assume this extremely contentious claim, for the sake of demonstrating your inability to argue validly].
3. Atheism is responsible for Marxist-inspired atrocities.

Compare to: 1. Hitler belongs to the set of ice cream eaters. 2. Hitler inspired certain atrocities. 3. Ice cream eating is responsible for Hitler-inspired atrocities.

A delightfully absurd conclusion got by the exact same reasoning! I suspect that somebody has problems understanding the basic notions of set theory.

Of course the point you responded to was that “Whether religion is arguably a force for good doesn’t make it true. It’s a celebration of self-deception and delusion.” But somehow your ill-conceived diatribe against Marxism completely ignored anything related to this point.

1:11pm is talking out of his ass again, using the same C&P’ed list for the past week (save for Rachel Carson, your addition of her to your list is almost funny. Almost.) to help prep his ego for a Democratic presidential win.

We can debate for hours about whether or not such and so was truly a Marxist or merely alluded to it to gain power, and whether or not the CATHOLIC IRA was atheistic. But atheism has nothing to do with how many people they killed, in fact, most reputable political scientists (unlike the ones you cite) would claim that enforced atheism was a tool to install themselves into a god-like image.

And we could easily make the claim that followers of Organized Religion of any shade are responsible for yet more deaths. How many indigenous have been killed in the Americas? How many have been killed in the Middle East and Israel over religion? Africa? Asia? Ireland? Or the Spanish Inquisition? The Crusades? Or America’s own involvement in stamping out godless Marxists and Muslims? Or any other number of massacres, wars, and policies pushing a Christian agenda propogated by the US and her allies? Tlatelolco 1968, Chile 1973, Spanish Civil War, El Mozote, the countless Iraqis and Cubans hurt by economic sanctions, Bishop Romero…

4:05pm is a very poor logician.

Naturally, those grotesque mental contortions are founded upon errors of logic (and lies of omission) for their “proof.”

Afterall, atheism fundamentally informed Marxism (not the other way around). And Marx’s followers (Mao, Pol Pot, et.al.) weren’t motivated by an ice cream fetish.

1. Atheism fundamentally informs Marxism.
2. Marxism inspired mass murder and genocide among his followers.
3. Atheism is responsible for Marxist-inspired mass murder.

Compare to: 1. Ice cream did not inform Marxism. 2. Marxism inspired mass murder and genocide among his followers. 3. Ice cream eating atheists also chase wild geese around flaming strawmen.

Try as they may, atheists can’t deny the atheistic motivations which animated Marxist villains.

/reductio ad idiotum

4:41pm whined: “How many indigenous have been killed in the Americas?”

Don’t know (neither do you). Ask the germs that killed American aboriginals (pre-germ theory). I do know many more folks around the globe are enriched by our Western technology and culture.

Fascinating how atheistic Marxists (like their Islamo-fascist allies) obsess over ancient grievances, just to mask their shame and guilt over present day atrocities.

You’d think they’d get lockjaw from gnawing the carpet and muttering to themselves.

“Who’s to say Christians and Jews aren’t ultimately right on this issue?”

Yay, Christians and Jews agree that Jesus is God. I was starting to feel sad that the chosen ones were bound to eternal damnation.

“Atheism fundamentally informs Marxism”

How do you arrive at THAT idiotic opinion?

Thank you 4:05pm, well put. 8:06am’s comment was so absurd I was having trouble forming words to use in response.

“Fundamentally informed” is a ridiculously vague phrase. Atheism also “fundamentally informs” most of modern analytic philosophy, yet I haven’t seen the folks on the 5th floor of HC White murdering anyone.

Confronted with the assertion “atheism fundamentally informed Marxism” idiotarian @ 6:31 drooled: “How do you arrive at THAT idiotic opinion?”

First, I asked the Dalai Lama. Then, I read the idiotic Marx himself.

In his doctoral thesis, Marx proclaims in no uncertain terms that “in the country of reason” the existence of God cannot have any meaning.

“Take paper money to a country in which this use of paper money is not known, and everyone will laugh at your subjective representation. Go with your gods to a country in which other gods are worshipped, and you will be shown that you are the victim of fancies and abstractions. And rightly. Anyone who had brought a migrant god to the ancient Greeks, would have found the proof of the non-existence of this god, because it did not exist for the Greeks. What is the case in a certain country for certain foreign gods, takes place for god in general in the country of reason: it is an area in which his existence ceases…” [K. Marx, Frammento dell’appendice della dissertazione dottorale, in A. Sabetti, Sulla fondazione del materialismo storico, Florence 1962, p. 415]

Marxism relies, in a far deeper fashion than it does on atheism, on the work of the economists Adam Smith and David Ricardo. While Marx’s writings on atheism are comparatively thin, his writings on Smith and Ricardo would fill a bookshelf. Are these poor practitioners of the dismal science also to blame for whatever atrocities have been committed while invoking Marx’s name?

11:03am cited Adam Smith and David Ricardo

Somehow I don’t think Mao considered Marx’s economic theories— so much as their atheistic imperatives— when he drove the Dalai Lama into exiled and “disappeared” ~1M Tibetan Buddhists.

And the Khmer Rouge Killing Fields are memorialized by Buddhists for obvious reason. (Well, obvious to anyone but a delusional Marxist apologists.)

Own it, atheistic Marxists.

Hey 10:13am,

Marxism is, first and foremost, an economic theory (you know, all that stuff about the bourgeoisie and the proletariat). That’s a fact. Marx didn’t primarily advocate an overthrow of religious institutions, he advocated an overthrow of the state to institute a governmental and economic system which gave control of production to the proletariat. That’s Marxism. The atheism of Marx was of secondary importance.

Also, consider the following:

All crows are birds. Does that make all birds crows?

If all Marxists are atheists, does that mean that all atheists are Marxists?

Corey @ 11:40pm drooled: “The atheism of Marx was of secondary importance.”

Secondary? Except to his bloody followers (and their victims)—- atheism made all the difference in the world.

Birds aren’t moral actors.

Own it.