Horowitz and Michael Moore should go mud wrestle in the woods… and never come back. On both sides, the radical fringe has worn out its welcome.

Good points… decent fact checking… poor writing.

“reject this sick strain of racism”

I reject this sick strain of equating religion with race! Submitting to Islam DOES NOT CHANGE YOUR RACE.

Itjust means that you now beleive that anyone not Muslim can be killed if they blaspheme.

“Coining the oxymoron "Fascist Islam" has allowed radical Zionists like Mr. Horowitz to compare today's terrorists with Germany's Nazis, evoking shameful and chilling reminders of the Holocaust to help justify Israel's aggressive military policies and America's support for them.”

F**k you, farm boy! What the hell would you know about the Holocaust anyway?! Israel would be justified in kicking all Christians and Muslims out of Israel altogether. It’s because of their own persecution of Jews that they forfeit any claim to Israel. Tough crap if you have a problem with that!

Adam, if it is any comfort to you, most Jews don’t even waste their time listening to David Horowitz. Do us a favor and stop listening to the ISO and whoever else has an ax to grind with Israel. After the Holocaust, Jews should get Israel all to themselves. They tried sharing the country with Muslims, but Muslims wanted it all. Too bad, fella.

It’s a RELIGION not a RACE.

Muslims have, in effect, chosen to declare themselves in military alliance with all Muslims everywhere, regardless of nationality. That is the only way to explain the popularity of the idea that Muslims the world over are somehow justified in taking up arms because of Israel’s treatment of the Palestinian Arabs, or the billeting of American troops in Saudi Arabia, or even the invasion of Iraq.

On this point, Osama bin Laden and leftist Western “experts” agree — the jihadis, who come from all over the Muslim world, started attacking Western targets not because we attacked their countries, but because we had (supposedly) oppressed their co-religionists.

These Muslim scholars worry about religious war and call for peace. Bully for them. But the only reason there is even a risk of a religious war is that Muslims teach the asinine and dangerous idea that their religion requires Muslims to defend other Muslims who are “oppressed” or attacked, wherever they they may be in the world. This is the mother of all entangling alliances, and religious war — which these scholars claim to oppose — is its natural and virtually inevitable consequence. It is both hypocritical and idiotic that they call on Christians — who do not any longer build military alliances along confessional lines — to end religious war when they themselves have not denounced Islamic leaders who declare that Muslims should owe a duty of defense to Muslims everywhere.

http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2007/10/who-is-waging-religious-war.html

It’s abundantly clear Adam is abysmally uneducated regarding basic Islam; and yet, somehow psychologically predisposed to apologizing for it. Can Adam really be completely ignorant of the meaning of the terms “caliphate” and “ummah”?

Islam is a religion and a political system. Only the political system is of interest to non-Muslims, since it determines how Islam treats you. Study the religion of Islam if you want to become a Muslim.

All of Islam is based upon the Koran, the Sira (life of Mohammed), and Hadith (Traditions of Mohammed)-the Islamic Trilogy.

The entire political doctrine is found in the Trilogy. By reading the Trilogy, you will understand Islam’s actions and words.

You can learn more about political Islam at the Center for the Study of Political Islam; http://www.cspipublishing.com/

See also The Poltically Incorrect Guide to Islam; http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Guide-Crusades-Guides/dp/0895260131

Adam spewed: “this sick strain of racism”

huh? remind us again… what “race” are Muslims?

Did you forget about the riots, arson and murder over cartoons? Or is that just a sign of complacency?

The history of the left, for instance, is a history of confronting authority—be it religious or political authority—and always challenging religious symbols and figures. In this case, they failed miserably. I think the left is in a deep crisis in Europe because of their lack of willingness to confront the racist ideology of Islamism. They somehow view the Koran as a new version of Das Kapital and are willing to ignore everything else, as long of they continue to see the Muslims of Europe as a new proletariat.

http://reason.com/news/show/122751.html

Gosh, Adam, looks like you really got yourself into some hot water here! You better go back home to that plow.

Its racism because it is solely directed at Arabs, Somalis and Persians (not that any of you neocons can tell them apart). Islamofascist Awareness Week is targeting people of these three ethnicities, which therefore makes it racist. There’s a good reason why Horowitz and pals never attack the Muslims of India, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Nigeria, Mauritania, Morocco, Algeria, Mali, Turkey, Bangladesh, Niger, Senegal, Guinea, Tunisia, China or any of the Balkan/Central Asian countries and that’s because they aren’t members of the targeted races.

How again does the Holocaust, however terrible it was, justify that Jews should have exclusive right to Israel, and can use aggression against their neighbors?

9:45 - the Arabs were there first, technically. It’s a ‘first come, first served’ kind of deal. Personally, I think a Palestinian state separate from Israel would make everyone happy. Israel would lose territory, but the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights are mostly populated by Muslims, right?

“They somehow view the Koran as a new version of Das Kapital and are willing to ignore everything else, as long of they continue to see the Muslims of Europe as a new proletariat.”

Shit, man, liberal does not equal socialist. You can be socially liberal and capitalist at the same time!

David Horowitz is coming to UW!

7:30PM Monday October 22nd in the Memorial Union Theater.

Be there or be a Dem.

1. Many Jewish people suffered/were killed during the Holocaust.
2. Therefore, the modern state of Israel has moral license to kill Palestinians and cause them to suffer at its discretion.

I may be missing the subtle rationality underlying Zionist arguments, but I’m having trouble figuring out just how #2 follows from #1.

horowitz exposed www.yousefmunayyer.blogspot.com

Adam bloviated: “American universities were not the breeding grounds for the nineteen men who crashed planes into U.S. buildings six years ago.”

It is indeed reassuring to view the terrorists who now threaten us as an exogenous threat rooted in the Middle East’s Hobbesian environment of obscurantism, poverty, and repression; but police and press investigations offer evidence of a far more complex, and ominous, picture.

The key hijackers, including Mohamed Atta, were well-educated children of privilege. None of them suffered first-hand economic privation or political oppression. Equally important, it is becoming clear that hundreds, if not thousands, of graduates of bin Laden’s schools for terror are Muslims who have grown up and been educated in the United States and Europe.

To understand the September 11 terrorists, we should have in mind the profile of the classic revolutionary: deracinated, middle class, shaped in part by exile. In other words, the image of Lenin in Zurich or London; or of Pol Pot and Ho Chi Minh in Paris. Like their Leninist revolutionary forebears, the terrorist shock troops of al-Qaeda see their mission as an international revolution; in their case, to create the caliphate, a global government under Islamic rule. For them, Islamism is the new universal revolutionary creed, and bin Laden is Sheikh Guevara.

Mohamed Atta was the son of a moneyed Egyptian lawyer and official, and those who knew him have described him as a class snob and snazzy dresser. Atta spent his last nine years living in Germany and the U.S. While he may have been linked to activist groups in Egypt, there is nothing in his record that indicates that he was a committed political extremist or even deeply religious. Rather, there is significant evidence that he came to his fanatical beliefs in Hamburghome to as many as 2,500 Islamic radicals in a community of some 80,000 Muslims. No longtime Islamist “sleeper” deposited from the East, he was shaped by the environment of extremist Islamic politics at a German technical university.

Another hijack leader, Ziad Jarrah, was the son of well-off Lebanese parents who subsidized his life in the West, wiring thousands of dollars to support his academic studies and pilot’s training. Educated in Lebanon at exclusive private Christian schools, Jarrah played basketball, drank alcohol, and while in the U.S. drove a red Mitsubishi Eclipse. He is unlikely to have been a committed Islamic radical in Lebanon; he went to Germany soon after concluding high school. Another key terrorist, Marwan al-Shehhi, came from this same Hamburg community, where, according to a terrorism export quoted in the Boston Globe, “there is a lot of peer pressure” to embrace radical Islam.

Counterintelligence operations and arrests around Europe have confirmed that other suspected plotters came to their radical views in the West. Zacarias Moussaouinow being held by federal authorities in New Yorkbecame radical in 1991 under the influence of a Wahhabi group at his university in France. Djamel Beghal, now under arrest in France, has admitted to organizing a conspiracy to blow up a U.S. cultural center. Beghal grew up in the Paris suburbs and lived in London from 1997 to 1999, where he recruited future terrorists from Muslims who had also grown up in Europe.

Like the leaders of America’s Weather Underground, Germany’s Baader-Meinhof Gang, Italy’s Red Brigades, and Japan’s Red Army Faction, the Islamic terrorists were university-educated converts to an all-encompassing neo-totalitarian ideology. Just as the terrorists who plagued the industrial democracies in the ’60s and ’70s lionized Leninist guerrillas like Uruguay’s Tupamaros, the Islamist terrorists are youthful members of a bored middle class who have grown contemptuous of “soft” and corrupt elites and are drawn to the romance of revolutionary guerrilla movements.

Adam you are very poorly educated on this issue. Please attend the I-F Awareness Week and get informed.

Read “Campus Support for Terrorism” http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={A2A9C096-9E06-48CD-8575-8BB55549ED9C}

Discover the Network of Campus Support for Terrorism @ http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/guideDesc.asp?type=aca

The word “fascism” is imprecise, perhaps; but “supremist” is not, and is correct. Also correct is the notion that adherents of Islam are prone to violence, in accordance with the Koran and the reliable commentaries (the 6 reliable “hadiths,” not just any you may be fed by apologists like Karen Armstrong). Also correct is the realization that Islamic immigration will weaken this country for generations, as the in’shallah fatalism and resentment of infidels spills into our political and business culture.

The work of Robert Spencer and others has become mainstream, though not among leftists; but that too may change as more realize that a political belief system like Islam is to be taken seriously as a political system rather than a private religion.

Part of the answer is to understand outselves as the children of the enlightenment (a belief system that tis the opposite of Islam) and to remove the special civil-rights protections afforded to Islam — or at least to spokesmen for political Islam like CAIR.

Clarity will come in time. I just wish the left would come to terms with the reality of what it is foolishly embracing, sooner than later.

1. Many non-Jewish people left Israel and were forced to live in refugee camps by their Arab hosts. (Of course they were paid in many cases, unlike all the Jews driven from their homes elsewhere in the middle east).
2. Therefore, the Palestinians have moral license to kill Jews and/or drive them into the sea. They can also teach their children that all Jews should be killed.

My only complaint in this article is in its conclusion where it is suggested that “campus groups like Hillel and College Republicans should take the initiative to co-sponsor an event…” This comment suggests that Hillel had something to do with bringing David Horowitz to campus, and that as a jewish organization it is the responsibilty of Hillel to justify and defend David Horowitz. Clearly, the author has little understanding of what Hillel actually is and the purpose of the organization. Hillel is an umbrella, community-center-like establishment that trys to cover all aspects of jewish involvement and interests - ranging from issues around the environment, to socials (like fondu night)to issues around Israel. Hillel is neither bringing Horowitz here, nor endorcing him, and it is unfair to clump Hillel with the college republicans (who are sponsoing the events) and make them seem like a singular identity on the topic of Zionism and policy in Israel. This assumption is ignorantly typical and only propogates bigoted ideas, like the concept of islamofacism, that certain members of a group define the group entirely. I know that blaming the jews has been a trend throughout the history, but seriously Badger Herald, its 2007.

Why is Islamo-Fascism Week racist?

Because it specifically targets people who are ethnically Arab or Persian. This is a small small subset of the world’s Muslim population, as most live in Central, South and Southeast Asia.

“Because it specifically targets people who are ethnically Arab or Persian.”

Tell that to the Bali bombing victims. I don’t think the attackers were Arab or Persian.

It’s a religion demanding that all submit and follow Sharia Law. There is no freedom in the Caliphate.

But I also agree that putting Hillel and CR next to each other is lazy and misrepresenative of both orgs. CR obviously won’t listen to Adam considering they’re organizing the week, but I hope Hillel does SOMETHING to distance themselves from the neocons.

LIAR @ 2:41pm puked: “it specifically targets people who are ethnically Arab or Persian.”

Specifically, where? Give an example. Gratuitous assertion is not evidence.

The topic isn’t “Persian”-fascism or “Arab”-fascism awareness. Even if it were (hypothetically), characterizing Nazism as German-fascism isn’t considered “racist”. It accurately labelled the German nation’s war for global conquest as “fascist”.

Today, Islamo-fascists are waging global jihad against free peoples (Hindu, Buddhists, Christians, Jews, animists, etc., ad nauseum) for a global caliphate. That is the very definition of fascism.

The Left’s “racist” allegations are absurdity on stilts.

Wake up and smell the jihad, dhimmiwit.

95% of the comments here:

OMG: CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS IS HERE. ATTACK THE MUSLIMS. THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD IN A GLOBAL SUICIDE TERRORIST MUSLIM ISLAM JIHAD WAR. WE’RE ALL HATED, AND IF YOU THINK YOU’RE NOT HATED YOU’RE WRONG AND I WILL CALL YOU AN APOLOGIST AND COMPARE YOU TO NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN. ATTACK THE MUSLIMS!!

Why would you call out Hillel like that? Pretty freaking random.

“After the Holocaust, Jews should get Israel all to themselves.”

where is the logic in that? were the jews before the holocaust living in palestine??? no. they were living in germnay, poland etc. So they should go back there and not STEAL land.

I was wronged once, give me a country. I think New Jersey looks nice (a book I wrote a while ago actually promised it to me, so it’s cool to take).

Because Hillel, whether they like it or not, represents UW-Madison’s Jewish population, and our religion/ethnicity is currently being used as a banner for David Horowitz’s racist events.

Wasn’t Horowitz a huge leftist in the 60’s, being a main organizer of SDS? Whose parents were Communists? Who was a friend of Huey P Newton? Who wrote “The Free World Colossus: A Critique of American Foreign Policy in the Cold War,” “Empire and Revolution,” and “Sinews of Empire”? Who became a right wing fanatic after his friend Betty was killed (and he blamed the Black Panthers)?

We all know that the Hillel supports Horowitz’s racist campaign. It’s proven that they support the slaughter of Palestinians.

Wow, are all these comments written by the same idiot brain? This was a great article first of all, very well written and the idea behind this fiasco is to divide and create fear and controversy. I’m apt to call out all these commentors as the same idiot writing the same line over and over.

Fact #1. Horowitz is a racist stooge for the Israeli Lobby MPAC Fact #2. A Zionist Jewish man on the extreme right organizing an event with known racists and xenophobes should be arrested and charged with hate crimes. This is like Ahmanijad organizing a Holocaust denial event in Jewish Brooklyn. Fact #3. American-Muslims are on record for not being apologists to Saudi Terrorists that caused 9/11 Fact #4. To connect American-Islam with Wahabi Islam is totally contrived and incompetant. Wahabi’s (Most of Saudi Arabia) are not respected by Turkish Muslims or any Sunni Muslims including Black Americans and Arabs in Africa. Fact #5. Most Americans dont know the difference between the orders within Islam, let alone what an Islamo-Fascist is. Thus, this event is meant to wrong inform people that actually have no clue about the facts.

By the way, to the person commenting on the logic of this and that, you need to see a psychiatrist and realize you are an islamophobe. There were other holocausts besides the Jewish one, using the holocaust as an excuse to support your hatred of Muslims is childish, animalistic and quite disgusting.

1:31pm - Opinionated and misleading post. I would suggest reading McDermott’s Perfect Soldiers, but I assume we would agree on most the facts. Yes, the organizers of the Hamburg plot we well-off (except for the Yemen plotters hijackers). While not educated in the US, they were educated in predominately anti-US universities in Germany and Eypgt. They were radical outsiders outsiders aboard, which I would conclude lead them towards committing acts such as 9/11. They are not that much different than others we see on campus here - away from home and discover a found passion for religion.

However, your post accuses Adam of being uninformed; however, your post, while well written, does not properly address the quote in any way, shape or form. Yes, you know your facts - but Adam does as well. Good story, weak tangent post.

I object to the use of adjectives to describe Islam. Islam is what it is: pure, unmitigated evil. It was contrived for the purpose of enriching & empowering Muhammad through the professional practice of piracy.

To understand Islam, you need to read the Qur’an & Hadith. Surahs 8, 9, 33 & 48 and Sahih Bukhari Books 52 & 53 are the essential minimum. You should also read the Jihad chapter of Reliance of the Traveler.

Those not knowing where to find the above listed documents can find links at http://totheulama.wordpress.com .

Who knew UW-Madison, that bastion of liberalism, were such hate-mongerers. That amount of hate against Islam here is ridiculous, especially since every single one of the comments is a distortion of xenophobic, Horowitz talking points. Is he paying to troll this site and regurgitate his filth?

I don’t have a problem with him coming to campus (that whole freedom of speech thing), but I do have a problem with uneducated fools.

11:06— and now we see why most of the world hates us, and why many want to bomb us.

The Hillel is not a banner for the event. So, the MSC is responsible for all comments made by black students?

Finally a brave, carefully researched, and well written article hitting off at the achilles heel of the right-wing, neocon-Zionist whose Islamophobia just foams from their mouth.

Indeed they portray Muslims as “violent prone” using random examples of violence but seriously to entangle and cheer the invasion of a sovereign Muslim country of Iraq and not expect anger and hatred of Muslims the world over (called blowback in the form of terrorism) is indeed naive.

Also I have yet to read a post by a Muslim that stoops to the degenerate, senile, vile, vulgar language that defines many militant racist pro-Israeli, anti-Muslim, Islamophobes…whose militant attachment to Israel causes such visceral, hateful reaction.

I almost pity the crusading Robert Spencer, the demagogue in chief, and to all those who nutjobs who think he is “mainstream” to tell me when is it that you think a bunch of terrorists from Bali to Madrid to fort dix (a group of al-Qaedites that has never been able to overthrow one 3rd world gov’t) let alone capable of threatening America.

Tell me when you brave militarists, cow, and pee in your pants of the impending defeat these hapless terrorists will reign on Washington DC, and overthrow the US gov’t, and convert-kill you all and make you wear the Moslem skull caps???

That’s what I thought! It be more likely that Israel will drag the US into another war of grave defeat in Iran based on lies as it did in Iraq and not be held accountable b/c of the Israeli lobby political strangehold on Congress. Now that’s one ethnic-religious political special interest that we should be vigilant and fear.

Thankyou Adam for talking some sense. Some people seem to be foaming at the mouth with hatred on here. Ever wonder why the rest of the world is sick of us? :-)

Regarding Hillel, I’m surprised at the reactions I’m seeing in these comments. Licthenheld isn’t blaming Hillel or deeming the organization responsible for this event. Instead, he is urging a powerful inter-faith stance from the UW campus against messages of religious “zionism,” whether directed at Islam, Judaism, or any other faith.

Leave the MSC and African Americans out of this!

I’m from the Muslim Student Association, please don’t blame Hillel for this event, they did not co sponsor it, and we have had good relations between the two groups this year. This reduction of everything to Israel is a little ridiculous as well. Listen, Palestinians include Christians too. And after having lived in Jerusalem, I can say that tension certainly exists. However, in the older parts of the city where the three faiths have lived side by side for over a millienia, there is a certain respect for each others’ faiths regardless of politics. I don’t know why this issue is made into some religious division, especially among us Americans who do not live there.

Listen, Palestinians include Christians too.

Well, a few less lately:

“Christians living in Muslim societies have in fact suffered on account of their faith. In just the past couple of years Rami Ayyad, owner of a Christian bookstore in the Gaza Strip, was abducted, tortured and killed by Islamists. Two Palestinian Christian women were shot to death by the semi-official al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade for failing to wear the Islamic headscarf.

In Bethlehem, Jesus’ birthplace, Christians feel under siege from the increasingly Islamist Palestinian majority. Samir Qumsieh, owner of a Christian TV station, told the Jerusalem Post of beatings, theft and intimidation. “When I see what’s happening to Christians here, I worry a lot for our future,” he said. “They are targeting Christians, because we are seen as weak.” “

from Mona Charen-

http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20071019/cmuccrmchx/op_54140

If you have actually been to the West Bank, especially Bethlehem, you would know that currently that is not the primary concern of Palestinian Christians. Inter-religious tension exists, though its prominance as an issue fluctuates. Certainly on some levels it is currently worse than it has been. To paint it as the dominant picture of Christians in the area, however, is misleading, ESPECIALLY in Bethelehem. These concerns are minimal compared to the concerns of Christian refugees, freedom of movement, economic hardship, checkpoints, educational opportunites, etc. I was at the student elections this year at Bethlehem University, a Christian institution, and these were the issues being discussed. That is not to downplay the tensions that sometimes occur. In this discussion though, it is important to note.

You really are clueless, aren’t you. You have the luxury of pouting about the poor misunderstood religion which teaches death to infidels (most people in Europe, South America, Australia, America, and probably even you), and is the fertile ground for terrorists, because so many brave people have fought and died for your freedom to pout. Certainly, Adam, the majority of Muslims around the world are good people who just want to live in peace and freedom with their families. But a sizeable minority want to kill anyone who doesn’t agree to live in their hoped-for medieval caliphate. Are we to just roll over and accept that? Too bad you can’t see how out of touch you are. Adam, if you want to become a Muslim, go ahead. This is a free country. But your sophomoric rant against those speaking out against wahat Islamo-fascists want to do reveals your campus coffee shop level of sophistication about the real world. By the way, the use of the word “fascist” obviously refers to the style of rule the Islamists want: control of everything, no opposing views (such as the opinion page of the Badger Herald), and so on. Read a little history, Adam, and then read what the Islamists are saying. Then take another sip of your latte, and see if you can make a connection. —Bob, Tampa, FL

When the system you support is actually fascist the best way to try and hide that fact is to call the other side fascist.

It sounds to me like it’s time for Christo-Fascism Awareness Week.