Citizens have a right to concealed firearms

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by Guest Columnist
Thursday, September 27, 2007 00:00

Earlier this week, the 31st Circuit Court of Milwaukee County took a huge step in the direction of giving Wisconsinites their much-deserved right to carry a concealed weapon. As the story goes, pizza delivery driver Andres Vegas from the Milwaukee area was mugged and beaten on four separate occasions while on his delivery route. After the first time, Mr. Vegas decided to carry a weapon. It's a good thing he did because the second time he was threatened at gunpoint. He shot one of his assailants — not lethally, mind you — and lived. He was not charged with carrying a concealed weapon because he acted in self-defense, but nevertheless had his gun confiscated and never returned. Less than two months later, Vegas was accosted again and severely beaten by three aggressors; this time he did not have a weapon because he was acting in compliance with the courts. Needless to say, Vegas went out and purchased another firearm. He was forced to shoot in self-defense again a few months later when he was again attacked at gunpoint on his delivery route. Once he had shot his attacker in the hip, he called 911 and waited. This time, it was determined that Mr. Vegas was acting in self-defense but he was charged with carrying a concealed weapon in the time leading up to the attack. Even though this charge was brought forward by the district attorney's office, the court has ruled in favor of Mr. Vegas, saying: "Defendant Vegas has demonstrated the requisite extraordinary circumstances that warrant his concealed weapon … Vegas legally purchased his firearm for the purpose of security and protection. There is a strong inference that Vegas' concealed firearm has saved his life during these violent assaults … Vegas has a substantial interest in being secure and protecting himself by carrying a concealed weapon."

So if Mr. Vegas can carry a concealed weapon to protect himself, why can't I?

The reason should be because I haven't yet reached the age of 21 and, therefore, am not legally allowed to own a handgun. However, that's not the case. Even in a few short months when I get a gun for my 21st birthday (hint to my daddy) I won't be able to carry it with me for the purpose of protection. Why? Because Gov. Jim Doyle says so. Apparently, in the state of Wisconsin, you're only allowed to protect yourself if you've already been severely attacked and lived through the situation. But doesn't our Constitution say in Article 1, Section 25, The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose"? Yes, it does.

So does that mean it is legitimate for one to carry a weapon here in Wisconsin, as long as it is not concealed?

That's how I'd read it, and that's how you should read it too. If you feel the need to protect yourself, for whatever reason, there should be absolutely nothing stopping you from doing so. Maybe, if law-abiding citizens were able to carry weapons, my friend wouldn't fear for her life walking home from a meeting on Tuesday night because there was a suicidal gunman walking around campus. Maybe, if law-abiding citizens were allowed to carry weapons, 33 people would not have died at Virginia Tech this past April.

There are a number of people who are going to make the argument that concealed weapons increase crime rate. You're wrong. There is no hard evidence anywhere that supports your theory. If you can show me your evidence, I will gladly retract that statement. Essentially, if a criminal wants to have a gun, he's going to have a gun regardless of what current gun laws are — he's a criminal, for goodness' sake, that's his nature. You think stricter gun laws are going to keep guns off the streets? Only the guns of people who actually follow the rules. Not allowing the law-abiding citizens their constitutional right to protect themselves is what gave Milwaukee the title of "Most dangerous city in America" last year.

It isn't even concealed weapon carrying that I'm necessarily talking about — just the right to protect yourself in general. This is an amazing concept, and if you want to learn more about it, I'd encourage you to join the College Republicans in welcoming Gene German to campus at 7 p.m., Oct. 9, in Grainger Hall to talk about this very topic.

As far as Vegas' case helping toward the eventual goal of concealed carry in Wisconsin, it's not much, but it is a start. Because of this court ruling, the state can no longer ignore the fact that weapons can help save lives, not just take them. It will also lead to more citizens exercising their right to carrying a weapon because there is substantial case law that now backs them up in doing so. It might not be quite the same as Mr. Doyle signing a law, but it certainly is a step in the right direction.

Sara Mikolajczak (mikolajczak@wisc.edu) is the chair of the UW College Republicans.


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Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 3:22am):

So pizza delivery guys should pack? That's really scary.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 8:09am):

Have you ever noticed how stupid most people are, especially the redneck-gun packin' sort?

Once they figure out that they don't have to put a 2' lift on their Ford to compensate for their tiny manhood, then we can talk about letting them hide guns in their pants.

USA, USA, USA!!!

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 8:16am):

Ms. Mikolajczak,

This is an excellent article. You mirror the thoughts and opinions of thousands of Wisconsinites who partake in the continued fight to have our Constitutional Rights recognized by the state.

Bryan Delucia
Wausau, WI

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 8:54am):

I have one quick question, how would you feel about concealed carrying in college classrooms?

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 9:06am):

Thank you for writing this. I fully support CCW in the state of WI. We deserve equal protection.

-Gene.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 10:21am):

Legalizing concealed carry isn't going to make Wisconsin turn into the wild west. It's not going to stop a ton of crime either. It will just make normal people more cautious and, more to the point, sell a lot of handguns to frightened people, which is the ultimate goal of this NRA push.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 10:28am):

I love how guns are a "constitutional right," yet most other constitutional rights are ok to trash. None or all, you can't have it both ways.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 11:45am):

I wake up today and read this. Bizarro world. I'll never understand this stance...about as much as you'd understand why I think this is a beyond horrible idea. More guns = less violence....wow.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 11:55am):

I carry a gun, and I am about as far from being a redneck as one could be. Many others of the "Gun packing sort" are not rednecks either, but rather citizens exercising their 2nd amendment right to bear arms. With the right to carry a handgun in Wisconsin, crime WILL indeed go down, not by leaps and bounds mind you, but then again, none of us consider ourselves statistics now do we.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 12:20pm):

"Maybe, if law-abiding citizens were able to carry weapons, my friend wouldn't fear for her life walking home from a meeting on Tuesday night because there was a suicidal gunman walking around campus."

Yeah, that's all we need, a scared girl wearing Uggs or an urban-cowboy vigilante having a shoot-out with a psycho in Madison. Tell me how that ends. Guns won't protect you, but common sense probably will.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 12:51pm):

A well-thought out article. I agree wholeheartedly with your point of equal protection under the law. I have never been robbed, so that means I have no right to self-defense? My wife has never been raped, how about her? This, sadly, is the double-edged sword of a conservative judiciary: they make good judgements, but their scope is limited to the case at hand, as they do not wish to make public policy from the bench. It's high time the legislature performs its duty to bring the statute in line with our State, and our national, Constitutions, as suggested by the Wisconsin Supreme Court in the Hamden ruling (or was that Fisher?).

Thanks,
Mike Gallo

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 1:46pm):

At base, the purpose of the right to bear arms is to protect the citizens against government tyranny.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 2:30pm):

I thought the right to bear arms had something to do with making you feel like a tough guy?

Life, liberty, and persuit of machismo.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 3:04pm):

girl with a gun?

HOT.

Wes Howard (September 27, 2007 @ 3:04pm):

A fine article. Those who argue that all other rights are OK to trash don't understand that, all listed in the Bill of Rights are regarded by the founders as individual rights PRE-existing, and AFFIRMED (not granted) by the Constitution.

This is not about statistics (likelihood of getting mugged on campus or anywhere else). It's really a binary thing; because if it's happening to you it's a very real 100%. I'm not banned from the other 29 states I'm licensed to carry in but my home state of residence does not trust me. If you've ever travelled anywhere besides WI and IL you know that the hype has not come to pass. Rather, citizens who are not pre-disposed to do harm to others have a more level playing field. You don't have to say it out loud, but ask yourself if you really think (c'mon now) that a madman or psychopath is deterred by a sign that says "No Guns"? Desperate events happen too quickly; and police can neither respond nor do they have a legal obligation to do so per the Supreme Court.

Don't let others gather their strength by vesting you as a 'victim' - take responsibility for your life. If a psycho-couple were trying to drag your little niece from you to drag her into a van, what are you prepared to do?

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 3:04pm):

The logic behind more guns equaling less violence is simple. With the possibility of more citizens being armed, it acts as a deterent to criminals. the criminal may decide instead of robbing "little miss helpless", who isn't "little miss helpless" anymore, they'll pursue more conventional means of existence. This is an easy to follow concept thats logic is sound. Give it some thought, Really.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 3:45pm):

"Guns won't protect you, but common sense probably will."

Well said. I was the victim of a mugging, and I can tell you that a gun wouldn't have done a damn things. In fact, they probably could have taken it and either used it against me, or for another robbery. Admittedly, what would have prevented the attack in the first place was common sense on my part. If you're smart and pay attention (which I didn't), many such acts may be prevented.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 3:49pm):

I found it rather funny when this article was placed right next to the one about kids' healthcare. And the front page was covering the state budget shortcomings and the dire consequences for the University. And the feature story was about a veteran protesting the war in Iraq. Yet here we have the College Republicans talking about the oh-so-pressing issue of whether or not Sara gets a gun for her birthday.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 3:56pm):

Sorry Sara, but if you pulled a gun on anyone for any reason, you'd end up shooting a half dozen innocent people. I know that wouldn't bother you, but it might bother the people you killed.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 4:08pm):

Do you honestly believe that increasing the number of firearms in the alcohol and testosterone-fueled environment we call college will actually reduce deaths?

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 4:16pm):

If you wanted to deter crimes by carrying around a gun, why would you want to conceal it? Wouldn't you want the criminal to see that you have a gun so they don't mess with you?

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 5:12pm):

I want to know where Mike Hahn is on this one. Here, Sara is bringing up the VT tragedy to argue for conceal and carry.

Not three weeks ago, Mr. Hahn blasted Senate Majority Leader Judy Robson for invoking VT to talk about adequte security funding at UW.

For pete's sake, will you please call out your own? If not, you'll lose the shred of credibility you still have in this liberal's mind.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 6:06pm):

Picture this, concealed weapons are legal and the Packers win the Super Bowl.

Drunks, guns and celebration... remind me to be nowhere near State Street.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 6:09pm):

Guns are designed to kill, not injure. If in a violent situation, it is unlikely that a victim will aim for the leg; they're going to go after a larger target in the torso and abdomen. Save a life, take a life...when is one person's life worth more than another's?

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 9:40pm):

Tasers all around!

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 9:57pm):

why not just buy a taser?

or when two 20-year old black men ask you for a light, cross the street.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 10:17pm):

The logic behind more guns equaling less violence is simple. With the possibility of more citizens being armed, it acts as a deterent to criminals. the criminal may decide instead of robbing "little miss helpless", who isn't "little miss helpless" anymore, they'll pursue more conventional means of existence. This is an easy to follow concept thats logic is sound. Give it some thought, Really.

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 10:37pm):

To answer the question regarding value of life? My life becomes infinitely more valuable the moment I'm minding my own business and someone else tries to harm or kill me. Are you actually stating that you think one doesn't have the right to defend their own life? Because that would be absurd!

Anonymous (September 27, 2007 @ 11:07pm):

Did you forget about the rest of the second amendment? You know, that whole part about the "well-regulated militia" being the reason for the right to bear arms?

That well-regulated militia is better known as the United States military. As far as I'm concerned, Sara, you may have your gun as soon as you're enlisted and serving our country in Iraq. Let me know when you want to go to the recruiting station and I'll make sure someone will give you a ride there and back.

Anonymous (September 28, 2007 @ 12:06am):

Tasers are illegal in wisconsin

Anonymous (September 28, 2007 @ 1:22am):

In most cases, concealed carry is banned on college campuses anyways.

Anonymous (September 28, 2007 @ 12:37pm):

the 2nd amendment states "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Notice the commas? The courts have ruled that the Second Amendment protects a right of INDIVIDUALS to OWN and POSSESS firearms, it's much the same as the First Amendment protects a right of individuals to engage in free speech. I bet you'd never dream of wanting the 1st amendment abolished. Well, I have news for you! Take away the 2nd amendment and the 1st will soon follow. Bet that!!!!

Anonymous (September 28, 2007 @ 12:50pm):

in reference to the post about aiming to shoot someone in the leg. The police have guns right? We all agree that they should, right? You will not find a police department in the entire country thats policy states that their officers aim for non vital body parts. You aim to stop the threat, and that is center mass. Unfortunately, there are consequences for such a tactic, that could result in death, just as the same consequences could result when attempting to harm, kill, rape or steal from another HUMAN BEING. That is life! sometimes life is not pretty!

Anonymous (September 28, 2007 @ 11:28pm):

as said above the 2nd amendment is for individuals to have arms. militias during the time of the writing of the constitution were groups of citizens. not the military, deffinately not a government run organization.(the national guard wasn't formed for some years later)

law abiding citizens being able to carry concealed weapons does deter crime. in every state that has allowed concealed carry crime rates have either remained the same or dropped, never gone up.

the constitution gives me a right to my life and i want to be able to defend myself against anyone who threatens that right.

for those who decide to stereotype those who wish to own guns: many, many people want the right to carry. i am in no way a "hick" or anything else like that.

when a concealed carry law does finally pass.(and it will, only 1 of 2 states left) i hope i will never have to use the gun i will be carrying. but id rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

for those who want to help, check out http://www.wisconsinconcealedcarry.com/

Anonymous (September 28, 2007 @ 11:33pm):

posted another comment but forgot something: for those thinking that the cops will be there to protect you: when every second counts, the police are just minutes away.

not to say i dont think we need police or anything like that(planning on becoming one myself) but the time to call them, the dispatch to contact the officers and them to respond is far too much for my to entrust my life to them.

had just one person been carrying at VT, many lives could have been saved. it happened at another school(cant remember which one right now) but several students went to their cars to retrieve the guns they normally carry concealed,(except on campus because their rights are denied there) and were able to respond and stop another person from shooting more people.

Anonymous (October 13, 2007 @ 1:31pm):

how many of you are from MN, they have conceal and carry, and how many of you can truthfully say you felt different when you were in the state of MN.

PS it costs about 300 to get a CC license in MN plus time (not counting the gun) Its hard to believe anyone not committed to doing the right would even think about carrying. WI should have it.

Anonymous (November 14, 2007 @ 2:50pm):

The law is stupid, I mean it is almost as if they expect you to die without fighting back, I mean if someone shoots you they get arrested but if you shoot back to save your own life they treat it as if you are the criminal, and if everyone carried a weapon then I am sure an opposite effect will happen, I mean if someone pulls out a gun and shoots someone then 5 more people will point their guns at the gunman, and thus would stop him in his tracks without the need to wait for the police and would probably prevent innocent people from going to jail because instead of having the bystanders be killed by the killer they'll have a weapon to fight back with and probably end up saving their lives

Anonymous (May 27, 2008 @ 1:04pm):

i don't think we shoud be able to because people will be stupid.

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