Does individual responsibility still even exist? Blame society, blame guns, blame violent video games, blame profane music, etc. …but, no, never blame the murderer.

-David Lapidus

You know, if there is one thing that sickens me about this, it’s the fact that a mentally ill man can go on a rampage and kill 32 people and we’re still trying to use it in evidence in a debate over gun control.

Listen, you can’t control guns anymore than you can control the humans that wield them.

Don’t turn tragedy into a debate. The only debate that we should be having is over security of our campuses, and I can tell you that on that question - the verdict is still out.

Oh, and by the way - you editors couldn’t write a short, catchy headline if it bit you in the ass.

A few more things as I am finished with my homework for the night.

BTW I encourage all posters to post non-anonymously on this topic. I assume this topic will get plenty nasty, so how bought everyone keeps themselves accountable to their own arguments by attaching a name to them.

“Despite the legality of how the shooter bought the firearms, many are beginning to question if the meager identification requirements and routine background check are enough to protect against guns landing in the hands of the wrong people. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence gave Virginia's gun control laws a C-. Its website outlines the different rules and limitations for buying handguns in the state, and many of the rules — or rather, lack thereof — are surprising. While the state does have a one-handgun-per-month rule, there is no limitation on buying assault weapons or magazines. No child locks have to be sold with the guns, and no license or permit is required to buy handguns.”

The only smart gun control regulation (federal) that might emerge from the lessons of this tragedy follow closely a federal regulation already in place for purchasing certain automatics. If a person appears farking crazy to a therapist or doctor that information should somehow cross-reference to all gun retailers in the country as a grounds for selling this person nothing. In enacting any regulation, however, politicians should tread carefully, since if done incorrectly it may also affect the rights of many responsible gun owners and purchasers. Keep in mind that I am very pro-gun, but that this type of control appears extremely reasonable if done correctly.

“On the Virginia Tech campus, however, the rules are a bit more stringent. CBS News spoke to a former campus police chief at the university who said that despite the somewhat lenient state gun laws, the school took extra precautions: All guns owned by students must be registered with campus police.”

You forgot most of the things that made the rules “stringent”:

http://www.policies.vt.edu/5616.pdf

Please see pages 2-3.

“2.2 Prohibition of Weapons The university's employees, students, and volunteers, or any visitor or other third party attending a sporting, entertainment, or educational event, or visiting an academic or administrative office building or residence hall, are further prohibited from carrying, maintaining, or storing a firearm or weapon on any university facility, even if the owner has a valid permit, when it is not required by the individual's job, or in accordance with the relevant University Student Life Policies.

Any such individual who is reported or discovered to possess a firearm or weapon on university property will be asked to remove it immediately. Failure to comply may result in a student judicial referral and/or arrest, or an employee disciplinary action and/or arrest.

2.3 Authorized Exceptions to Prohibition on Possession of Firearms or Weapons An employee may possess a firearm or weapon if it is: - Used by an employee who is a certified law enforcement officer employed by the Virginia Tech Police Department; - Required as a part of the employee's job duties with the Commonwealth of Virginia; or - Connected with training received by the employee in order to perform the responsibilities of their job with the university.”

Basically VT university policy made it legally impossible (short of risking serious disciplinary measures) for anyone in Norris Hall or the dorms to concealed carry, something that the law allows with a permit in Virginia.

Whether or not allowing concealed carry in the dorms or Norris Hall might have prevented the event or at least lowered the death toll should see some very serious partisan discussion in the next couple weeks…

-David Lapidus

Last thing for the night…

BTW any Badger Herald staff reading this comment might want to take notice (the topic is likely news worthy).

As in any tragedy there exists evil people who will try to take advantage of people’s sympathetic generosity through fraud. So if anyone plans to give money to a charity for VT victims PLEASE make sure it’s legit.

Here’s an article on currently known scams for VT charity’s:

http://www.itweek.co.uk/vnunet/news/2187983/security-firms-brace-virgina

If you want to give it seems safest to give to the official VT memorial charity located here:

http://www.vt.edu/tragedy/memorial_fund.php

-David Lapidus

It should also provide an oppurtunity to reevaluate nation's culture of victim-hood and surrender. I can’t imagine having a debate about whether to barricade the door. I’d like to think that I would do something more than play dead if someone was trying to kill me.

The president of VT should resign, the president of Duke should resign, Don Imus should resign, Rosie O’donnell should resign… does anyone else recognize a pattern?

Not just guns - hammers must also be controlled! Or perhaps the liberal “artists” that make movies should be controlled?

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2007/04/movies-and-murder.html

“Will the Virginia Tech murderer change anyone’s opinion about violence in the movies? Do the people who already avoid extremely violent movies have new power to shame those who like them… or perhaps to get major studios to shun them and prestigious organizations to refrain from giving them the “Gran Prix prize”?”

I’m not really sympathetic with any of the victims. Some guy just tried to get an education and the “cool people” decided to go and pick on him. Then, when he’s finally had enough, he goes berzerk, gets a couple of guns and lets ‘em have it.

Yeah, street fights, violent movies and video games are fun because someone else is always taking the ass-whipping. And then one day they come after you and suddenly it ain’t so fun anymore. College students, get over your pathetic little narcissistic selves and face the fact that you asked for it! You think you’re soooo cool!

I feel this is a very serious shooting in Virginia and all schools in U.S should take notice and practice at least 1 time a year a lock down. I am a 7th grade student from New Holstein Elementry/Middle School. I am worried our school will not know what to do in lock down and i beleive if we don’t practice we might loose alot of people from not knowing what to do. Thank you

There is no one to blame here except one man who didn’t get the help he clearly needed. Guns, video games, movies, tv and the news have nothing to do wiht it.

Maybe, if nothing else, this tragedy will at provide an “oppurtunity” for the editors of the Badger Herald to learn to spell “opporunity”?

It’s the very least we can hope for.

10:10am needs to be checked out by big brother. asap.

WE NEED HAMMER CONTROL LAWS - before it’t too late!

After escaping, he goes on a rampage against his captor. In one scene, he dispatches more than a dozen henchmen with the aid of a hammer.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/apenmo/virginiatechmovieinspiration;ylt=

What happened at Virginia Tech cannot be decribed. My heart goes out to the victims, and the victims family. May there souls rest with God. Cho burn in hell.

seems to me that this is a problem with the media and the pharmaceutical companies. prozac and other antidepressants cause suicidal thoughts… let’s talk about that “help” he got.

David @ 2:44am,

If you’re at all familiar with social theory, in particular Emile Durkheim, you’d know that suicide and homicide are in fact the result of social phenomena. So yeah, society is kind of to blame here.

I find it amazing that a 7th grader is the one with the most common sense and humility on this issue. You are a special kid! :)

“Anonymous (April 19, 2007 @ 4:20pm):

David @ 2:44am,

If you’re at all familiar with social theory, in particular Emile Durkheim, you’d know that suicide and homicide are in fact the result of social phenomena. So yeah, society is kind of to blame here.”

I’d prefer that next time you post with a name BTW, unless you want to a appear a complete hypocrite. If you truly believe that we should always assume our actions are the result of our society what do you care if I know you posted a controversial argument? You weren’t responsible for it, after all, right? For society made you do it…

I am plenty familiar with Emile Durkheim. Her views on society causing everything remain irrelevant at the end of the day. Unless you want to assign consequences to nothing an individual does, inviting complete chaos and unaccountability, individuals must assume that THEIR OWN actions have consequences. Taking her world-view to the extreme means inviting crap like: “I was only following orders” as a victimizing excuse for every evil deed. Unless this philosophy, a philosophy that plenty of former SS-Totenkopf death camp guards used after WWII to excuse what they were doing as “victims”, exists as something you want all humans to emulate.

-David Lapidus

spell check didn’t seem to come through in the title here…well done editors

he other Virginia college shooting, five years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ AppalachianSchoolofLawshooting

In 2002, another Virginia college was attacked by a madman bent on mass murder. That time, only three people died— because two legally-armed students intervened before the local police could arrive.

Virginia law allows college students to carry guns just like other responsible adults, but Virginia Tech’s rules left its students defenseless.

It’s time to face facts in the gun-control debate. Gun control doesn’t protect people. Guns protect people.

@10:10 I’m not really sympathetic with any of the victims. Some guy just tried to get an education and the “cool people” decided to go and pick on him. Then, when he’s finally had enough, he goes berzerk, gets a couple of guns and lets ‘em have it.

You have honestly got to be kidding me. You make it sound like the deserve to die…and I believe that no one (no matter what they do) should die before it’s their time. On top of that there is no way of proving that the 32 people that were shot even knew the kid or made any gestures toward him that would be demeaning to him. Many people go to that university for the education they can get not because they are rich. You should be ashamed of yourself for blaming the victims. The true people at blame for this are the people that allowed him to be released into society despite the fact that he was ruled a danger to himself. I wonder if people kept track of whether or not he actually went to the outpatient evaluations…..