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by Fayyad Sbaihat

Thursday, May 5, 2005

I enrolled at University of Wisconsin four years ago, brining a few transfer credits from Madison Area Technical College. I enrolled directly in the chemical engineering program (ChE). I was sure about chemical engineering because I was unsure about what I wanted to do. ChE perhaps offers the widest range of career choices; that seemed to fit me well. I also had an appetite for technology.

Having spent the previous couple of years in Madison, I observed a lack of knowledge of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. I decided to reach out to the student body and educate them about the region with which I am most familiar and which coincidentally provided most of the world’s news headlines.

I co-founded, with a few others, a student organization to spread information about Palestine and Israel. Since we started it, I have worked on different programs with Al-Awda, the Palestine Right to Return Coalition. After a period of classical education, films and lectures, we adopted a divestment from Israel project. In short, calling for UW to eliminate investments it has in companies dealing with Israel. I did my best, through this column, to explain the ABCs of our divestment efforts and other activities regarding the conflict.

The divestment campaign is modeled after another at UW campuses in the late ’70s that led a national movement to divestment from apartheid era South Africa, eventually contributing to the fall of the racist regime. The parallels between Israel and the apartheid regime are glaring and numerous, however, this campaign provoked unprecedented resistance and controversy.

Some individuals, including a few on this campus, feel the South African remedy should not be applied to Israel, and Israel should not be held accountable for committing crimes like those the world rushed to stop in South Africa, Bosnia, East Timor or Darfur.

I have often wondered how Israel could enjoy such far reaching and one-sided support in this country. I later came to realize that supporters of Israel are an alliance of the misinformed and the morally bankrupt.

Most of those who remain defensive of Israel, or even indifferent toward her, are largely uninformed or fed skewed propaganda about the conflict. This is the type that sees the conflict in terms of the previous month’s suicide bombing. This group, for the most part, does not truly understand the Israeli state’s apartheid nature.

The second group, smaller in number yet well equipped, is made up of the morally bankrupt, Israel’s most zealous supporters. They know, and very well understand, the inherent racism and ethnocentricity that is at the heart of Israel as a Jewish-only state and how that entails oppression of the native population and expropriation of land and resources as a measure of slow ethnic cleansing, yet they still support it, and even advocate a more vicious, expansionist agenda.

This group is setting itself up for a major disappointment. Unless it distances itself from Israel, as it is well on its way to becoming a pariah state, it will soon find the world with a new view of it: advocates of one of the present time’s most hideous crimes.

Increasingly, individuals and institutions are breaking away from the curse of intimidation that hovered over this topic for a long time and are learning that criticizing Israel has no anti-Semitic implications. They are standing up against human-rights violations in the same way they did in South Africa and other places where racism and ethnic cleansing have in the past visited.

Refusing to allow any more crimes to be committed in their names and with their tax money, they are setting Israel up for additional scrutiny, well-earned by the disproportionate and undeserved aid it gets from their government, advocated by the morally bankrupt cadre.

My column has been read by a few and a few others despised it. It is not necessarily the correct view, but it is one you hardly hear. Those who objected to it were outraged by the fact that this often under-represented view is getting a hearing.

The work I have done outside the classroom has kept me from my course work. In ChE, this proved problematic. However, and though it was in the spirit of educating my fellow students, I am the one who learned the most from this process, and should I get a fresh start, I would do it all over again.

Fayyad Sbaihat (frsbaihat@wisc.edu) is a senior majoring in chemical engineering.

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Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 4:42am):

Well Fayyad, I think you will have the jews rather pissed with this one. lol I appreciated one very good point you make -- jews have managed to tie criticism of isreal to anti semitism...but let's expand on that and admit the only reason "israel" exists is because of guilt over the "holocaust."

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 5:32am):

Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people. It liberated hundreds of thousands of Jews from the second class citizenship, dhimmi status, under which Jews and Christians are still forced to live in Muslim lands. It aimed in returning Jews to the Jewish homeland. Jews are indigenous to Judea, the land of Israel. Jews lived there from about 1200 BCE (when archaeology shows that the Jewish people emerged, an indigenous people) There were still large Jewish communities in the land of Israel whne the Muslims rode in as imperial conquerers. The archaeological record shows cynagogues taken over and converted to mosques with the addition of mihrab after the conquest. What goes around comes around, Fayyad. Jews are an indigenous people returning to their land. Arabs are conquerers. Jews have the right to live in the Jewish homeland.

The reason why people tend to call you an anti-Semite, is that you wish to deny exclusively to the Jews the right to the national aspiration to have a nation state in their homeland that you grant to other peoples.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 5:35am):

It was your full-time, paid position as an operative for anti-Israel groups like the PFLP that "kept you from your course work?" Not what I've heard. My understanding is that you were sent to Madison by the PFLP to pretend to be a student so that you could work full-time to destory the Jewish State.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 5:36am):

What if the Palestinians put the money they pay people like Fayyad to do political anti-Israel work in Madison into building an economy?

What if they put just half the effort the waste building bombs into building a civil society?

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 6:44am):

Fayyad, is your brain capable of functionality in any other capacity besides bashing Jews and Israel? The Arabs lost, the Jews won and that settles it. Don't think that you're gonna get any tea and sympathy by writing this crap!

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 7:20am):

Fayyad, I've argued over the past year against your idiocy and your lies, but at this point there isn't much more to say. Like so many other (perhaps less articulate) Arab fanatics, you simply aren't going to win this battle. So fuck off and die.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 7:34am):

" In ChE, this proved problematic."

It wouldn't be problematic if you were any good at it. Chemistry and Chemical Engineering are easy.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 8:23am):

I don't know how easy a major ChE is, but it is plain that Fayyad is not very brigth, certainly not bright enough to employ logic.

Proposition, the Palestinian nation deserves sovereignty.

Corollary, the Jews natin also deserves sovereignty.

and as for charging anyone who can see that what we have are two national liberation movements, each entitled to some recognition with being "morally bankrupt"

Only the intellectually bankrupt could say so.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 10:35am):

I hope you paid attention in some classes. After all, a ChE major should be useful back home making bombs with the PFLP to murder innocent children in pizza restaurants.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 11:25am):

typical palistinian/arab tactics...
GOING OUT WITH A BANG!
lol

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 11:26am):

yeah, this was truly an "explosive" piece!

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 11:34am):

if israel acted as it is accused of being, and committed genocide on the fertility worshipers aka "palestinians," then maybe you could compare it to south africa, bosnia, or darfur. those are places where hundreds of thousands were slaughtered. no doubt, israel has the military might and motivation to purge "palestinians" from its land. however, they just don't have the cruelty or lack of compassion to do it. so, lay off the "holocaust" comparisons of jewish aggression. it's a well known fact that israel painstakingly risks its own soldiers lives to preserve "palestinian" life...otherwise, there would be no more "palestinians" left because they would be bombed into the desert...except for in jordan, where they constitute a majority of the population, but live in worse conditions than under israeli rule. by the way, is it a coincidence that fayyad majored in "che?" as in che the commie? as in yet another link between lefties, commies, and terrorists?

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 11:47am):

Wow, that person was aggresive and opinionated. Let's train our kids from day one to love death and fear the gut-robbing Jews. Let's tell them in infancy that if it weren't for the money-grubbing, murduring Jews, that we would live not in a sand castle or teepee, but in a palace like Saddam used to. Then, when the infants reach kindergarden age, we can dress them up in suicide bombing equipment and tell them how they can share the same 72 virgins with the millions of other martyrs that have killed the horned and tailed, blood drinking, greedy Jews. Then, we can finally live in peace. That is until we rub shoulders with any other different religion such as hindus, christians, tribal africans, or even other brands of moslems. For one thing is certain. Every region of this world that neighbors moslems has violence. Could it be the religion of "submission?" Oops, I mean, religion of peace.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 12:28pm):

Speaking of terrorists, I've always been curious of why so many folks who support the Palestinian cause aren't protesting Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Quaeda for brainwashing other people's kids into blowing themselves up to kill others. I have honestly never seen any effort on the part of activists to confront these wacko terrorists for the crap they do.

OK, so Israel is wrong for tearing down Palestinian homes just because one member of the family was brainwashed into thinking that they would be revered for committing mass murder. So Israel is wrong for allowing settlements to be built on what is clearly Palestinian land. But that's fighting only half the battle. There are plenty of bad guys on BOTH sides of the conflict. Broadswording one side completely while totally ignoring the shenanigans going down on the other side doesn't make sense.

Until viable becomes more reasonable and mutually acceptable, nothing will be accomplished. As far as I'm concerned, Fayyad and all others who think like him have nothing constructive to offer. He is clearly biased. A person of his intellectual stature should know better.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 12:30pm):

So, over the past few moths, Fayyad Sbaihat Jets around the country to organize cro-Palestinian, anti-Israel conferences at Duke University and others, travels to participate in panels and give talks to spread his hateful propaganda, and on top of that, manages to get divestment resolutions out of UW-Platteville faculty senate, TAA, and TAUWP, while in chemical engineering, the hardest undergraduate major on campus.

I'm starting to think that he is paid by hte PFLP to do this full time work.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 12:36pm):

"...but let's expand on that and admit the only reason "israel" exists is because of guilt over the "holocaust.""

Citizen, it is much more than guilt. It is simply the right thing to do. After six million of your own people are rounded up and systematically murdered, SIX COUNT-EM-ALL MILLION, you'd want your own country too! As for the Palestinians, they weren't the first ones to live in Israel, and they helped the British keep as many Jewish refugees out as possible. Damn straight Isreal has a right to exist. If Israel doesn't, then it's high time Native Americans got all their land back from all us ex-Europeans. And let's give California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas back to Mexico while we're at it. Still have a problem with reality, do ya?

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 1:25pm):

"And let's give California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas back to Mexico while we're at it."

No worries mate, La Reconquista will take those lands back. The invasion has been proceding for years while the politicians on doth sides turn a blind eye. Any opposition to illegal immigration is imediately labeled racist and shouted down.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 1:40pm):

six million now? that number goes up every year

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 2:15pm):

"six million now? that number goes up every year"

How do you figure? That's been the number since the late 1940s.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 2:16pm):

Six million is the accurate number.

More importantly, the holocaust proved that the only way to protect Jewish lives is for Jews to have a homeland where they can defend themselves.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 2:20pm):

It's a little naive to expect anti-Israel activists of Fayyad's ilk to criticize Palestinian bad behavior equally with Israeli bad behavior. Fayyad is on the side of terrorism, his organizaitons Al Awda and Palestine Solidaritym Movement are openly in favor of terror bombing.

One of the differences between the Israeli and Palestinian/Arab positions is that Israel has an active politicl scens where everyone from radical left to far right is represented, and many organized voices criticize the government. Organized Jewish groups even advoacate for the dismantlement of the Jewish State.

There is no equivalent on the Arab Palestinian side. Why?

Because when Palestinians speak up in sympathy with Jews, or on behalf of peace, they are brutally silenced.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 2:29pm):

what palestinian would ever support a jew

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 2:45pm):

The best thing about the end of Fayyad's 4 years at UW... is that hopefully he will be gone. Most likely to end up blowing himself up either making a bomb or hoping to find 72 Arab virgins (does he count as one)..... are there any left?

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 2:55pm):

I doubt he's going anywhere. He'll probably spend the summer here organzing the Palestine soldiarity movement conference in madison so he can bring his follow paid PFLP activists together.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 2:55pm):

So, how is it that he's been here for four years, but always been a senior?

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 2:57pm):

Che the commie, hehe, that's a good one, it would be awesome if every one chose a major based on how the acronym sounds.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 3:19pm):

Maybe he'll have to stay around and keep taking the salary from the PFLP. After all, who else would hire a guy on record in support of suicide bombers? Like, we don't have chemichal engineering firms that stupid.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 3:21pm):

There's a petition to ask UW to deny space to the terrorism-supporting conference Fayyad is plaining fro Madison in Oct. posted at : http://www.petitiononline.com/stopPSM/petition.html

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 4:16pm):

Nah, he won't be getting a job anywhere, he does not even need one. Seems to me like this guy is living large off of his terrorist salary, he has his own apartment on Langdons St, he drives a BMW (for some reason a car of choice for Palestinians), and he is out clubbing every night witha new girl. I really don't think he cares about Palestine or what happenes to it, he's happy to do this work for the money.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 4:46pm):

Does he truly drive a BMW? What model? Does anyone have a photo posted somewhere.

Who knew being a political hack for terrorists paid so well?

Maybe we should all quit school and just sign up to shill for Hamas and Islamic Jihad like Fayyad.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 4:58pm):

funny how terrorists hate western civilization, but they love all of its luxuries. tap water, mass produced clothing instead of rags and blankets, electricity, metalurgy, computers, cars, steel buildings, accessible food, cell phones...come to think of it, if it weren't for evil christian westerners, that black gold they have under them would simply be black goopy liquid that they couldn't drink or swim in, in the middle of the sandworld. yea, that would be helpful to them. instead they hate us for trying to use their resources while giving them the only capital they could ever hope of earning.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 5:03pm):

That's so not true, think of the glassware that could come out of the sandy land.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 5:31pm):

BMW on langdon? Maybe he's a closet coastie jew

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 5:32pm):

Fayyad is not a terrorist. He is a paid, full-time PR flack who works for terrorists.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 5:40pm):

I still hate his shirt.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 5:48pm):

Fayyad may have real ambition!. After all, Arafat ended up a VERY rich man. Doesn't his widow get a 20 million dollar a year allowance?

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 5:49pm):

"Imagine if the KGB could have sent agents into the US with the promise of paid college credit and US college degrees during the height of the Cold War and you get a picture of what the Davis-Putter Scholarship Fund means to do. Fayyad Sbaihat, the head of the Palestine Solidarity Movement, who according to Israeli security sources, has an entire family that has links to the terrorist group the Popular Front For The Liberation of Palestine has been a professional Palestinian "student" organizer for years arranging national conferences all over US and Canadian campuses. Now, thanks to Davis-Putter the PLO can import as many Fayyad Sbaihats as it wants to US college campuses and, just to make sure they do a good job and have incentive, they can earn a US college degree to boot plus receive a stipend."
--Lee Kaplan, Scholarships For Terror

http://64.233.167.104/custom?q=cache:Bea6C3tJyGYJ:www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp%3FID%3D17630+sbaihat&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 6:58pm):

I for one will miss Fayyed. His writings gave us all an inside look into the hate-mongering ideals that permeate much of the middle east. I would also like to thank all who intelligently posted to rebut the propaganda he has written. As he himself has stated, many are ignorant or more kindly put, lack knowledge in this area and your postings have done a great job in presenting the other side where Fayyed himself lacks knowledge. Thanks again.

DJ

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 7:53pm):

i just think it is funny to see how many ignorant and intolerant comments result from one fayyad sbaihat article. almost everyone who posted a comment on here owes it to themselves to make a muslim/arab or jewish friend and open your minds. fayyad presents one invaluable side of a story that must be understood entirely to find a viable solution.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 8:00pm):

Palestinians arrest, then free Hamas men

May 3, 7:25 AM (ET)

By Nidal al-Mughrabi

GAZA (Reuters) - Palestinian police, enforcing a ceasefire with Israel,
arrested two men from a suspected Hamas rocket squad after a gun battle in
the Gaza Strip but freed the militants soon after, officials said on
Tuesday.

Commenting on the release, Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev
said Israeli-Palestinian reconciliation could succeed only if the
Palestinian Authority mounted a "continuous, ongoing effort against the
terrorists."

"If we start seeing a revolving door, as we saw in the past ... this would
not be a good sign," Regev said, alluding to Israeli complaints that
Palestinian authorities under the late Yasser Arafat released suspected
militants too quickly.

Hamas said the pair detained in the northern Gaza Strip were not planning
to fire rockets but confirmed that they were armed -- defying a recent order
that only Palestinian security forces should carry weapons on the streets.

The clash late on Monday was the first between Palestinian police and
militants since Arafat's successor, President Mahmoud Abbas, ordered an
"iron fist" crackdown on April 28. Rocket fire into Israel has become much
rarer but it has not stopped.

News of the incident, which coincided with renewed calls by Israeli Prime
Minister Ariel Sharon for Abbas to disarm militants to meet the terms of the
U.S.-backed peace "road map," sent tension soaring in Gaza, Hamas's main
powerbase.

Palestinian Interior Ministry spokesman Toufiq Abu Khoussa said the men were
let go on Tuesday following intervention by an Egyptian official in Gaza.

In return for their freedom, the two militants, promised to abide by an
agreement that militant factions reached with Abbas in Cairo in March to
respect the ceasefire the Palestinian leader declared along with Sharon in
February, Abu Khoussa said.

GUNFIGHT

Describing the clash, Abu Khoussa said, a third militant had escaped arrest:
"The three were in a car, en route to fire rockets, when police waved for
them to stop. Gunmen opened fire at the police, forcing policemen to fire
back.

"Policemen controlled the situation, took away the car, arrested the gunmen
and took away their arms," he said, adding that the third man ran away and
avoided the police.

A Palestinian security official said police found rockets in the vehicle.

The Hamas gunmen accused the police of opening fire first and said there was
no plan to launch rockets. Another militant group, Islamic Jihad, said it
carried out a rocket attack on Israel from nearby shortly before the Hamas
men were arrested.

Hamas, which is sworn to destroying Israel, said it was committed to
"maintaining calm" and accused the Palestinian Authority of trying to curry
favor with Washington at the expense of local unity.

Israel rejects Abbas's approach that it is better to use persuasion than
force to get the militants to stop attacks. Sharon has refused to hold peace
negotiations until the militant Palestinian factions have been dismantled.

Abbas has pledged to ensure quiet during Israel's planned withdrawal from
settlements in the Gaza Strip this summer to end 38 years of occupation. The
pullout has been hailed as a possible step toward reviving peace
negotiations.

http://reuters.excite.com/article/20050503/2005-05-03T112508Z_01_N03227710_R
TRIDST_0_INTERNATIONAL-MIDEAST-DC.html

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 8:08pm):

Fayyad is on record in support of suicide bombing and other forms of terrorism directed against Israeli Jews.

What is the point of "making friends" with someone who wants to kill my cousins purely because they were born Israeli? Why would I want to make freinds with someone who has sworn and publicized his intention to kill me?

First, Fayyad needs to repudiate his commitment to destroy Israel in order to install a Palestinian government "From the River to the Sea." When he and other Palestinians are as ready to accept Israel, as Israelis are to accept the 22 Arab Muslim states that now exist in the world, we can have peace.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 8:19pm):

I'm sorry, I'm "misinformed"? "Morally bankrupt"?

Tell me, Fayyad, what happened when the Palestinian spokesperson Saeb Erekat claimed on April 17, 2002, that the Israeli army massacred 500 civilians in Jenin, and repeated that claim a few days later while adding that he would be the first person to publicly admit he was wrong if Amnesty International, the UN, and the Red Cross demonstrated that he was wrong? What happened after all three organizations confirmed that the number of dead was more like 20, and that each was a heavily armed combatant (better known as a terrorist)? Erekat still claims that 500 civilians were killed.

And why is it that Al-Hayat al-Jadeeda printed on May 15, 1997, that Israel infects Palestinians with the HIV virus? You know that's not true either, so by any reasonable standard, the claim is slanderous. And since its intent is to incite genocidal hatred, I don't understand how you can call me "misinformed" or "morally bankrupt" without directing even stronger and much more deserved epithets at the Palestinian newswriters in question.

And more recently, just last week (April 28), the official Palestinian news agency, WAFA, claimed that Israel uses a radiation machine at checkpoints to spy on Palestinians and that said device killed a 55 year old Palestinian woman. Never mind that the "device" in question is actually a non-intrusive radio wave device, used to detect weapons hidden under clothes (and don't even try to tell me Palestinians don't do that -- it's one of the first things they teach the small proportion of their population stupid enough and hateful enough to become a terrorist in the first place) without resorting to physical contact. The device is used to preserve modesty (for example, so that a Palestinian woman would not have to be physically searched by a male Israeli soldier, thus respecting the cultural and religious sensibilities of the person being searched) and reduce the risk of physical confrontation between Israeli soldiers and people passing through checkpoints. So the Palestinian press gets to tell the boldest of lies and effectively incite violence against innocent Israelis, but you think the defenders of Israel are "misinformed" and "morally bankrupt"?

You make me sick. We'll all be better off without your bullshit polluting our environment next year.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 8:37pm):

Kol ode balevav
P'nimah
Nefesh Yehudi homiyah
Ulfa'atey mizrach kadimah
Ayin l'tzion tzofiyah
Ode lo avdah tikvatenu
Hatikvah bat shnot alpayim:
L'hiyot am chofshi b'artzenu
Eretz Tzion v'Yerushalayim

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 8:43pm):

Fayyad, I'm pretty sure you once worked as a bellhop at the Waldorf Astoria back in 1988. That face is unmistakably familiar!

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 8:58pm):

Without getting inot the particulars of a terrible politicla situation I can say this: Jews deserve their own country, but putting it in the middle of the place in the world that has hated them most for thousands of years seeme like a dumb idea to me.

I understand it is Jewish holy land, but it was Germany that committed the genocide. If anyone should have lost their land to a Jewish sate it should have been Germany.

It was a poor decision to take away one people's land so that we could solve the problem of another. Two wrongs don't make a right and this is why this situation will continue to go on until everyone is dead.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 9:19pm):

"I can say this: Jews deserve their own country, but putting it in the middle of the place in the world that has hated them most for thousands of years seeme like a dumb idea to me."

Hey idiot, Israel has ALWAYS been a Jewish homeland. Christians and Muslims overran it for nearly 2000 years. In 1948 it became the Jewish state it once was. Learn some history, plowboy!

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 9:54pm):

"Fayyad is on record in support of suicide bombing and other forms of terrorism directed against Israeli Jews. "

Show me the record, a creadible source, do you have any?

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 9:59pm):

"Show me the record, a creadible source, do you have any?"

How about from the horse's ass's mouth himself? Search through the BH archives and it won't take you long to find where Fayyad said he supported suicide bombing. Also, these conferences he's been organizing have as part of their platform that suicide bombings and terrorism against Israeli Jews are righteous.

Anonymous (May 5, 2005 @ 10:18pm):

"Show me the record, a creadible source, do you have any?"

How about Fayyad claiming that Ariel Sharon is responsible for killing Israelis through Palestinian terrorist bombings?

http://badgerherald.com/oped/2004/01/30/bombing_in_jerusalem.php

In that same article, Fayyad claims that the "incursion" in question was unprovoked. He completely ignores the events of January 14, when members of Hamas strapped an explosive belt to the body a young Palestinian mother, who then entered an Israeli checkpoint and blew herself up, murdering four border guards and wounding Jews and Arabs alike. Hamas publicly celebrated this despicable act.

Imagine if a terrorist group sent a suicide bomber to kill American border guards at one of the crossings into the US. Imagine that the bomber succeeded in his or her task and murdered American citizens protecting our border. Imagine that our government knew exactly where to find the terrorists who planned the attack, and also knew they were planning more attacks. Imagine that the terrorists were just across the border in Canada, but the Canadian government refused to do anything to stop them.

I'm sure there are many people on this campus who think such a situation would not justify an attack by US soldiers on the terrorists, but those people lack the good sense God gave most of us. Those of us with more sense would be pissed off if our government didn't kill all the terrorists, just as we're pissed off that BushCo still haven't found Osama bin Laden after almost four years. And if you think I'm wrong, you're welcome to take a trip to the Middle East and see firsthand what the real situation is.

The Palestinian groups Fayyad supports are terrorists. If there concerns were really about justice, they wouldn't launch attacks with bombs, they would use guns. Palestinian terrorists could then specifically target the people they allege to be oppressing them, Israeli soldiers, rather than murdering indiscriminately. But the fact is that Palestinian terrorists use bombs because they simply don't care who they kill. Why should they? They know that most people either hate Jews enough or are too stupid to know better than to assign blame to anyone other than the sons of whores and pigs who commit such murderous acts.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 1:09am):

Hey idiot, Israel has ALWAYS been a Jewish homeland. Christians and Muslims overran it for nearly 2000 years. In 1948 it became the Jewish state it once was. Learn some history, plowboy!"

Just because a people lived in a country thousands of years ago doesn't mean that they deserve a country there. By your logic we should all leave the US to the Native Americans and go back to our countries of origin since it is their homeland and we have overrun it.

You're the idiot. A Jewish homeland in Europe would have made a lot more sense. How does it make any sense to punish the Palestinians for what the Germans did in WWII? I'de be pretty pissed if they turned Wisconsin over to the Kurds because Saddam Hussein gassed them. It doesn't make the gassing rigt, but nor does it justify taking away other people's land. And you certainly gotta expect that the people who you are displacing are pissed.

Israel is a massive human rights debacle. The terrorists are thugs, but that doesn't make what Israel does right.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 1:56am):

But don't dare criticize israel...or you will be branded an anti-semite as they hide behind the holocaust.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 6:08am):

Fayyad's support for terrorism:

Fayyad was co-chair of the Palestine Solidarity Movement National Coference at Duke in Oct. 2004. the PSM has a plank in its "principles" endorsing suicide bombing and terrorism generally as a legitimate "tactic" and "strategy."

There was a proposal on the floor to remove the plank and condemn terroriam

It was voted down to loud applause.

Fayyad is also a leader of the more radical Al Awda, a gorup that does not even bother to couch its outright support for terrorism in mealy-mouthed language.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 7:40am):

I always thought Fayyed was Jewish. Guess not!

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 7:51am):

"But don't dare criticize israel...or you will be branded an anti-semite as they hide behind the holocaust."

Uh, I believe it's people like you who are doing the hiding.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 7:54am):

"How does it make any sense to punish the Palestinians for what the Germans did in WWII?"

Hey historically-ignorant moron, The Palestinians were being punished for what they did to Jewish refugees after WWII. They and the British were trying to keep Jewish refugees out. Their efforts were all rooted in centuries-old Jew-hatred.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 10:24am):

"Does he truly drive a BMW? What model? Does
anyone have a photo posted somewhere."

An X5, I think, it's an SUV, he has a silver one that looks brand new. Dunno of a picture, but he lives on LAngdon, it's easy to spot him leaving his apartment, stock him to the car and take a pic, that would some scandal for the PSM, ha? Or get a few pics of him in a club with alcohol and chicks, that would make him loose his Saudi funding.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 10:35am):

So if you try to migrate to a country, as a refugee, and you don't feel too welcome, you take over the country, drive it's population out, ethinicly cleanse it, destroy villages, kill people, and declare your own state over the land in a matter of weeks?

Assuming that what you say was true. But it is not, Palestinians welcomed the Jews, because they felt sympathy to what was visitied up on them in Germany, they took them in and allowed many htousands to settle. Little did the unsuspecting Palestinians know that these immegrants were mostly terrioris-organized, run-away from the law in Europe, arriving with massive weapon caches, and had a long planned startegy of stealing the land from its owners, ethnicly cleans it, and decalre thier own state.

The US turned away Jewish immegrant ships off of its coasts, Palestine never did.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 10:37am):

When I say show me a record, I don't mean your analysis, moron. About Sharon, that is Fayyad's analysis, show me a qoute where he supports terrorists. And the other post about he PSM and AL Awda, show me the exact text that supports terroists, from their websites or mission statements, not from some zionists weblog.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 10:47am):

"Little did the unsuspecting Palestinians know..."

So over a thousand years of the Jews saying "Next year in Jerusalem" wasn't enough of a clue?

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 11:22am):

Why are there so many palis living in Jordan? Why can't palis living there give their land to their children when they die?Why don't other A-rab nations extend an olive branch to their fellow A-rabs and invite them to their A-rab dominated countries? Oh yea, they hate the "road pasta palis" and just want to use them as a tool to murder jews and sway public opinion. Didn't rich A-rab land owners sell parts of swamp-ridden Israel to the jews because they thought the land was worthless? Aren't jews also known as "israelites?" Where is "israel" again?

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 11:36am):

BREAKING NEWS

from al-reuters 12:23pm 5/6/05

This morning, hundreds of American provided jets, tanks, and shells zoomed into "occupied territories" and obliterated every shred of "Palestinian" land. Saeb Erekat, was in Jerusalem meeting with Ariel Sharon at the time and might be one of a few thousand remaining Palestinians. The rest, have been brutally slaughtered by the Israeli war machine that has been fortified for decades by the Americans. Abdul Muhammad Malik Abu Zabu Ishmael, a Palestinian "businessman" said that, "finally the world has undeniable proof of Israeli aggression and inhumanity." He went on to suggest that pinpoint attacks on Hamas leaders who positioned themselves near schools and hospitals to ramp up civilian casualties, paled in comparison to the latest Israeli tactics. "We thought that killing shieks and bulldozing homes that raised suicide bombers was worthy of condemnation, but finally the Israelis deserve some real bloodshed. It's too bad all the Palestinians in Gaza, and the West bank have perished." Later, fighting back tears of joy for his martyred brethren, he suggested that he didn't know how to fight back. "For years, we have targeted Jewish teenagers, and women at pizza shops and discoteques for their hienous crimes against us. Some suggested that our acts were too aggressive and heartless, now where are those people?"

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 11:44am):

gee, that's sad. i guess the israelis really are commiting war crimes...i never thought they were until that story.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 12:09pm):

i hear jews aren't real popular in france these days

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 12:16pm):

Or ever!
Then again, the French don't like too many people...they hate the English, Spanish, Germans, Americans...In fact, I think you have to be a small pretty country in the carribean or africa to draw their attention. Either that, or invade them with panzer tanks, or an influx of muslims...then they love you.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 12:22pm):

"So if you try to migrate to a country, as a refugee...The US turned away Jewish immegrant ships off of its coasts, Palestine never did."

Wrong. The Palestinians AND the British didn't want ANY Jewish refugees. And the Palestinians became marginalized because they tried to drive Jewish refugees from Israel. The British, for their part, were simply forced to leave. Also, those Jewish refugees weren't wanted criminals in the sense that they did anything wrong, only that they were to be exterminated by the Nazis as part of Hitler's racial purification program. And they did not arrive in Israel with massive weapons caches either, bonehead. They arrived with practically nothing. Whatever military armaments they needed they either had to capture from the British or they were smuggled in from sympathetic countries, which didn't happen until after Israel officially became a state.

Look, you can write your own little distortion of Middle-East history if you want, but there are those who have actually studied Middle-East history and know significantly more than you. Your only hope is that people who don't know any better will blindly trust your word. As for the rest of us who did research on the subject, we will always be waiting for liars like you. Get used to it.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 12:28pm):

BREAKING NEWS

from al-reuters 12:23pm 5/6/05

This morning, hundreds of American provided jets, tanks, and shells zoomed into "occupied territories" and obliterated every shred of "Palestinian" land...

I checked Reuters news page thoroughly and no such event is taking place. The only thing happening there is a Palestinian election, with Fatah leading and Hamas gaining a few seats. The Israelis aren't even tripping!

Do you honestly take all us readers for idiots?!

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 12:30pm):

"Then again, the French don't like too many people...they hate the English, Spanish, Germans, Americans..."

And NO ONE likes the French! Remember that.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 1:07pm):

the only readers that are idiots are the ones that took that little article as truth. Catch the sarcasm. Come on people, think when you read.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 1:15pm):

"And NO ONE likes the French!"

Some in Europe still remember a guy they called "Boney" who led large groups of Frenchmen in a campagn of rape and pillage that lasted for many years. They were feared warriors. I guess all those genes were culled from the French gene pool, seems that cheese- eating surrender monkeys are all that are left.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 1:29pm):

somebody actually went to al-reuters to look for the story! lmao.
no, it was a mockery of the minimal amount of israeli aggression compared to what it could be given the palestinian's reliance on terror. moreover, it mocks those who declare israel to be a war-mongering state with a wake up call that israel could be much more deadly if it weren't a peace loving nation.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 1:38pm):

"somebody actually went to al-reuters to look for the story! lmao."

Well, it was hard to tell if you were just joking. I'll just take it that you WERE joking and leave it at that.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 1:54pm):

the story had subtle pro-israeli views, clearly not al-reuters material...
also, didn't this give it away?
"Abdul Muhammad Malik Abu Zabu Ishmael, a Palestinian "businessman""

or, the complete absurdity of the story in general? and isn't the absurdity of the story enough to end the apartheid, darfur, holocaust comparisons of israeli defense?

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 2:39pm):

So how come the FBI isn't on this guys ass yet, if he is so linked to so many different organizations?

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 2:40pm):

cuz those orgs. don't kill americans yet. and cuz the fbi is lost.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 2:42pm):

"So how come the FBI isn't on this guys ass yet, if he is so linked to so many different organizations?"

Probably because he has a following here in Madison, and the FBI is just waiting for him to do something illegal. So far he hasn't, he's just being a hatemongering asshole. Can't do much about that except ignore him.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 4:44pm):

why do jews act so weird...it's not like all lutherans act weird

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 5:22pm):

"...it's not like all lutherans act weird"

So you've never been to MN?

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 5:28pm):

"why do jews act so weird...it's not like all lutherans act weird"

Ah, but first you must define "weird." What one considers weird another would consider normal. It's just like this one tractate I read in the Talmud where...

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 5:32pm):

"...it's not like all lutherans act weird"

Lutherans ARE weird. And Catholics are totalitarians, Baptists are hopeless literalists, Presbyterians are disgustingly complacent, Episcopalians are just plain stupid, AME's are...well, they're OK, I guess, and those Seventh Day Adventists think they're so friggin' cooler than all the other Protestant Christians, God do they ever make me wanna barf!

Etc., etc.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 6:36pm):

"Do you honestly take all us readers for idiots?!"

No, just you.

Idiot.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 7:53pm):

I live in Minnesota...no jews here.

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 8:28pm):

"Assuming that what you say was true. But it is not, Palestinians welcomed the Jews, because they felt sympathy to what was visitied up on them in Germany, they took them in and allowed many htousands to settle."

So when Ikrima al-Sabri, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem of the time (i.e., the leader of the so-called Palestinians, who also happened to be Yasser Arafat's uncle) visited with Hitler and encouraged him to keep up the good work murdering Jews in Europe, he was actually expressing his sympathy for the Jews? And when he lobbied the British rulers to issue a White Paper limiting Jewish immigration (actually, he asked them to stop it altogether and kick out some of the Jews who were already there), he was actually allowing them in and letting thousands of them settle?

Are you sure you're not an idiot?

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 8:34pm):

""Do you honestly take all us readers for idiots?!"

No, just you.

Idiot."

Read what he/she wrote again, you idiot. I read it and it sounds to me like that poster is too smart to be fooled by the BS he/she was responding to. So who's the idiot now?

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 10:30pm):

pee pee in my weiner

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 10:43pm):

"pee pee in my weiner"

Get thee to a bathroom! And be quick about it, matey!

Anonymous (May 6, 2005 @ 11:02pm):

Here's morally bankrupt:

Health Officials Say Gulf Nations Should Give More to Fight Polio

With polio surging rapidly through Muslim countries, public health officials trying to eradicate it are expressing frustration that wealthy Islamic nations contribute so little to the effort, despite repeated requests.

Fighting the disease has cost nearly $4 billion since the eradication campaign began in 1985, and the campaign is urgently trying to raise another $250 million to handle this year's new outbreaks, but the Persian Gulf states have given less than $3 million so far.

Stephen Strickland, the chief of polio eradication or the United Nations Foundation, which has contributed $30 million and raised tens of millions more, was more brusque, calling a recent Saudi pledge of $500,000 "peanuts," and criticizing Kuwait for offering nothing while poor Islamic countries like Chad and Burkina Faso struggle to vaccinate millions of children.

"They could certainly do more," he said. Because the new outbreak started in Nigerian Muslim communities that resisted vaccination and was apparently spread by pilgrims to Mecca, "you would think they'd take the lead in this," he added.

The largest donors to polio eradication are Rotary International, which has given more than $600 million since 1985, and the United States, which has given more than $500 million plus the use of staff and laboratory services from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Britain and Japan have given more than $250 million each, and the European Union, Canada, Germany, the Netherlands and the World Bank have given more than $100 million each. Other European countries, Russia, Australia, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and the United Nations Foundation have been major donors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/07/health/07polio.html

Anonymous (May 7, 2005 @ 7:33am):

If the jews were such peaceful people they wouldn't be trying to kill palestinians all the time.

Anonymous (May 7, 2005 @ 7:40am):

"If the jews were such peaceful people they wouldn't be trying to kill palestinians all the time."

Gosh, you Madison liberals just can't stop hating, can you? Liberals? I don't think so.

Anonymous (May 7, 2005 @ 8:45am):

"If the jews were such peaceful people they wouldn't be trying to kill palestinians all the time."

That's actually true of the Palestinians. Israelis-not Jews-only kill in self-defense. Why do YOU kill? For sport? For sexual gratification? Certainly not for survival, that's for sure.

Anonymous (May 7, 2005 @ 11:34am):

this happened yesterday, but i don't think we'll hear about it from the main stream media...can anyone name the last time the israelis fired a rocket at a palestinian schoolbus? oh yea, never...

"Palestinians on Friday morning fired an anti-tank rocket on Friday morning at school bus carrying children outside the southern Gaza Strip settlement of Kfar Darom, shaking the fragile lull in violence. The rocket failed to hit the bus."

Anonymous (May 7, 2005 @ 11:36am):

i'm sure fayyad would support targeting school children...key word, "targeting"

Anonymous (May 7, 2005 @ 12:08pm):

It's amazing how Fayyad loves to use Palestinian "suffering" to make his case-assuming he really ever had one-while he sits here in Madison all cushy, getting an education at someone else's expense.

Fayyad, I really don't care what the Israelis do to your people anymore. Your people are scum. They deserve to be where they're at. YOU deserve to be back over there with them, you loser. Lay off the Jews and put the blame for your personal problems where it belongs-on yourself!

Anonymous (May 7, 2005 @ 12:18pm):

Sudan's suffering makes it look like the the Palestinians are on vacation.

***

explain the Arab genocide in Darfur; the silence of other Arabs about Arab genocide in Darfur; or the Western media's silence about Arabs' silence about Arab genocide in Darfur.

Does Tom Friedman during all his earnest chin-stroking about the problem of terrorism and Arab culture pause to consider that this might be related somehow? Saudi imams get young men inspired to blow themselves up in the middle of Iraqi crowds, but we sure don't hear too many reports of young Saudi men risking death to stand between Muslim villagers in Darfur and the janjaweed.

What about Nick Kristof, who has access to the same maps of Africa that the rest of us do? Does he wonder that the largest Arab country, directly north of Sudan with a large army and an air force hundreds of planes strong, has never made a move toward establishing, say, a no-fly zone over any part of Darfur? Demanded UN sanctions against Sudan, or imposed any of its own? To be honest, I doubt the idea has even crossed his mind.

http://www.belgraviadispatch.com/archives/004526.html

Anonymous (May 7, 2005 @ 2:00pm):

but seriously, if you were a palestinian how would you feel?

no liberal here.... I voted for BUSH and would again....ironic how us conservatives are the ones who always support israel and the jewish people still hate us??? i don't get that.
i mean seriously, hillary and bill were best of pals with Yassir and his wife....and you know they still got jewish folks to vote for them!

Anonymous (May 7, 2005 @ 2:07pm):

The Truman administration -- in an often told tale -- was deeply ambivalent, though ultimately American support was vital. On the one hand, as early as June 1945, President Truman adopted a proposal recommending that 100,000 European Jewish refugees be admitted immediately to Palestine. He communicated this to the British government, which remained quite unwilling to implement the proposal on the grounds that this would alienate opinion in the Arab world. (3) Ultimately, President Truman's support for partition of Palestine and recognition of Israel came at the very last minute and against the advice and wishes of the Departments of State and Defense. At a bitterly contentious White House meeting on May 12, 1948, Truman's advisor, Clark Clifford, argued strongly for immediate recognition of the Jewish state. However, Secretary of State George C. Marshall was strongly opposed and told Truman that if he "were to follow Mr. Clifford's advice and if in the election I was to vote, I would vote against the President." (4) After some confusion and disarray between the White House and the American delegation to the United Nations, the United States did announce de facto recognition only minutes after the announcement of Israel's existence on May 14, 1948. However, the administration did not at first lift an arms embargo, and an Israeli loan request was, as Steven L. Spiegel notes, delayed by the bureaucracy until January 1949. (1949)

http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/1998/issue3/jv2n3a2.html

Anonymous (May 7, 2005 @ 2:07pm):

"ironic how us conservatives are the ones who always support israel and the jewish people still hate us???"

Actually, some Jews are liberal and some Jews are conservative. Just because you see one Jew bashing conservatives doesn't mean there isn't some conservative Jew somewhere else bashing liberals. Jews don't necessarily think or act as one cohesive group. They are just as capable of independent thought as any other group.

While Jews may applaud liberals and conservatives who support Israel, they may still disagree with some aspects of foreign policy regarding Israel while agreeing with other aspects. It's not all cut and dried all the time.

Anonymous (May 8, 2005 @ 7:08pm):

Aside from the few (very few) reasoned responses, and the guy who had to use the lavatory, don't any of you have something in you besides anger and hatred?

Not once, not ONCE in my four years at this school have I heard ANYONE say something good about BOTH sides of this whole thing. You all have been SO quick to deride each others' intelligence, or hygiene, or just off and prefer the other one dead that no compromise of any sort has ever been offered, or theorized. Or even contemplated.

Both sides' arguments are propaganda, simply because they are nothing more than "I'm right, they're wrong." Both sides need to pull their heads out of their f&#@ing asses and realize that the killing has to stop. Both sides are tragically wrong.

In Christian mythology, Pride is a deadly sin. Pride has killed to many people on both sides. Please, people, give up the fight and start talking rationally. That's the only way you've gotten as far as handshakes in 40 years.

-William Northend

Anonymous (May 8, 2005 @ 7:34pm):

"Not once, not ONCE in my four years at this school have I heard ANYONE say something good about BOTH sides of this whole thing. You all have been SO quick to deride each others' intelligence, or hygiene, or just off and prefer the other one dead that no compromise of any sort has ever been offered, or theorized. Or even contemplated."

I think both sides can agree that William Northend is a douchebag and a tool.

Anonymous (May 8, 2005 @ 8:12pm):

"Resolution 5

Al-Awda, the Palestine Right to Return Coalition, affirms its stand by the Iraqi resistance to US, UN and all foreign occupations, as a legitimate right guaranteed by international law."

I know people fighting over there, Fayyad, so let's just hope you and I never cross paths.

Anonymous (May 8, 2005 @ 8:59pm):

Speaking of Douche....where is deters

Anonymous (May 8, 2005 @ 10:08pm):

Fine. I'm a douchebag and a tool. (Which is interesting seeing as I can never get into the KK.)

Thing is, by calling me that, you've proved my point. Why bother thinking up solutions to problems when you can simply call some else an assdrip and feel a little prouder about yourself for your wit?

And on a sidenote, why are douchebags used as insults, when used jockstraps are just as nasty?

-WN

-WN

Anonymous (May 9, 2005 @ 6:56am):

"In Christian mythology, Pride is a deadly sin. Pride has killed to many people on both sides."

Enough about Christian mythology. Here's a little truth about Christian history, Billy Boy:

Christians were decidedly the first anti-Semites. History is long on accounts of Christians persecuting Jews. Remember the old passion plays? They were put on for the sole purpose of inciting hatred of Jews. Whole Jewish villages were burned and pillaged. Whole Jewish populations were either murdered en mass or expelled from the country.

Ever heard of the old Blood Libel? Christians, particularly Catholics, started that crap!

So take your self-righteous B.S. and shove it, ya midwestern plowboy piece of shit!

Anonymous (May 9, 2005 @ 8:43am):

"And on a sidenote, why are douchebags used as insults, when used jockstraps are just as nasty?"

You heard it here first, folks! Billy Bob Northend admitted he is a used jockstrap!

Anonymous (May 9, 2005 @ 10:23am):

If Christians were the first Anti-semites, then what do you call all those wonderful little killing sprees and slavery parties thrown by the Egyptians and Philistines? Your accusation, though true in the degree of what was done, is still a bit misguided.

Look, have your people been through copious amounts of s*** over the years? Hell yes. I don't think you can open to any two page spread of the first testament without some Israelite somewhere getting pissed on in some fashion. The third human ever CREATED was murdered for God's sake. Is there still prejudice against your people to this very day? F#&% yeah. It's downright scary how household the word "Skinhead" has become.

But bear in mind that Christians (Peter and Paul hardly died of old age), Buddhists (Boy are those Tibetans a lucky bunch), Hindus (Oh, yeah, EVERYTHING out of that English occupation was a good thing, right?), and, yes, even Muslims have been had cartloads of misery dumped over their heads over the past centuries. Yes, they had homelands to go back to for strength and you didn't. I'm sorry. In it's purpose, Israel is a wonderful thing. But because of all the religious hatred surrounding it, it's become a tragic thing as well.

And it's that hatred that I'm speaking against. I'm sorry if I sound self-righteous. I supposed I do. But insulting someone condemning religious hatred doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

And come on...Billy Bob? If that freak of an actor came from this state, I'll happily move.

-WN

Anonymous (May 9, 2005 @ 12:16pm):

So let me get this straight. Jews recognize Christians as the enemy, but for the mean time they bite their roung and shut up so that they can con christians into helping them steal land from arabs and muslims, and opress them while at it. The whole siraeli arsenal is supplied by our military and our tax payers' money, after that we still have to deal with an age of Jews "remembering" that we are the original anti-semites?

Anonymous (May 9, 2005 @ 4:01pm):

Wisconsin is a Nazi state.

Anonymous (May 9, 2005 @ 4:11pm):

"If Christians were the first Anti-semites, then what do you call all those wonderful little killing sprees and slavery parties thrown by the Egyptians and Philistines?"

That was before Judaism, idiot!

"So let me get this straight. Jews recognize Christians as the enemy, but for the mean time they bite their roung and shut up so that they can con christians into helping them steal land from arabs and muslims, and opress them while at it."

Wrong. Muslims stole it from Christians, who before stole it from Jews. Try reading a little history before you make an ignorant pig of yourself!

"The whole siraeli arsenal is supplied by our military and our tax payers' money, after that we still have to deal with an age of Jews "remembering" that we are the original anti-semites?"

Americans are the original anti-Semites? Hell, America wasn't even around yet! What the F#@* are you talking about?! Of course, I'd like to know why it took the attack on Pearl Harbor to convince Americans that the Axis powers(Germany, Italy and Japan) were a real threat to world peace and that Americans would no longer be able to assume an isolationist position.

Do any of you redneck assholes bother to read anything about world history? It would obviously help. Or at least it would make you far less likely to look stupid. And God, are you people ever stupid!

Anonymous (May 9, 2005 @ 4:12pm):

"Wisconsin is a Nazi state."

Damn right it is! Let's hope Michigan and Minnesota kick their butts next year. That'll give these cheddarheads something to think about!

Anonymous (May 9, 2005 @ 9:05pm):

"That was before Judaism, idiot!"

Actually, that was only before Judaism in its current form, but that's hardly the point.

And technically, anti-Semitism didn't exist until the 1870s, when a political group in Germany declared themselves anti-Semites, declaring their hatred for Jews was based on science -- they thought Jews were an inferior race -- and not based on religion. See, hating someone for their religious beliefs was considered politically incorrect at that time.

Today, it's considered politically incorrect to hate people based on their race, too, so people who hate Jews have to turn to some other justification to make their hatred acceptable in civil society. To that end, Jew-haters today are anti-Zionist. See, they hate Jews not because of their religion or their race but because of their insistence on asserting their legitimate right to have their own country in their ancestral homeland and their even more legitimate right to protect themselves against people who would try to kill them.

One of the posters above got it exactly right -- if terrorists ever crossed the border from Canada into Wisconsin and blew themselves up on public buses or in shopping centers, Americans would demand that our government hunt down the terrorists' leaders and comrades and kill every last one of them, and rightfully so. It is hypocritical to demand that the Israelis show greater restraint. And for those of you who would not demand that our government do something to stop the terrorists, you're no better than the people who stood by and did nothing to stop the genocides in Armenia (by the Turks), Europe (by the Nazis), Rwanda (by the Hutus), and Darfur (by the Janjaweed, who are not coincidentally related in some ways to the Palestinian groups Fayyad works for). And as far as I'm concerned, anyone who stands by and does nothing in the face of genocide shares responsibility for the murders.

YOU HEAR THAT, YOU MORONS? I CALLED YOU MURDERERS! BY YOUR LOGIC, THAT MEANS THE ARMENIANS, JEWS, TUTSIS, AND ANIMISTS AND CHRISTIANS OF SUDAN HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL YOU NOW BECAUSE YOU WERE HELPED KILL THEM.

Pretty stupid logic, isn't it?

Anonymous (May 10, 2005 @ 3:17am):

that's some fucked up jew "logic"

Anonymous (May 10, 2005 @ 6:59am):

"And technically, anti-Semitism didn't exist until the 1870s, when a political group in Germany declared themselves anti-Semites, declaring their hatred for Jews was based on science..."

Wrong. You're referring to the Jewish race myth, which Hitler adopted from some half-assed anthropologist from Britain.

"BECAUSE YOU WERE HELPED KILL THEM."

What's "WERE" doing in this sentence?

"that's some fucked up jew "logic""

How do you know this person is Jewish? If it's pure intuition on your part, then you need to log out and do some book-learnin' at the library, ya ignorant goof!

Anonymous (May 10, 2005 @ 7:24am):

I'm curious: Why is it that all you stupid liberals like to bitch about what Israel does in retaliation for terrorist attacks from the Palestinian side of the fence and never about what Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad do? I mean, it's all well and obvious that these three terrorist organizations are equally responsible for breaking every truce that was ever agreed upon by Israel. They're also the ones brainwashing young Palestinians into "going out with a bang", with the promise of $50K for the folks back home and eternity with a paltry 70 virgins, promises that aren't really fulfilled at all. And yet no one seems to be the slightest bit concerned about confronting them. Is it because you're afraid they'll bomb your favorite coffee shop? Is it because you're afraid you'll come off as religious conservatives? Is it because your aging hippy profs might stick you with a lesser grade if you don't agree with his/her/its own ideology? Is it because your friends may not invite you over for another huff around the ol' huka pipe? I'd hate to think that it's just a revival of...watch out, I'm gonna say it...RADICAL LEFT-WING JEW-HATRED, THE LIKES OF WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN SEEN SINCE THE STALIN ERA?!

Nah, probably just end-of-the-term jitters. Right?

Anonymous (May 10, 2005 @ 7:26am):

"that's some fucked up jew "logic""

Spoken like a true Madison liberal. Or maybe just a member of the Badger Herald staff who waited all morning for a certain someone to leave the office so they could post it.

Anonymous (May 10, 2005 @ 7:31am):

"Actually, that was only before Judaism in its current form, but that's hardly the point."

No, Judaism did not exist as a religion prior to the future Israelites' liberation from Egypt. And if it's hardly the point like you said, then WHY THE F*@% EVEN BRING IT UP?!! FOCUS ON THE POINT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE, DAIRY BOY!!

Anonymous (May 10, 2005 @ 7:39am):

After reading the article and half the posts here, it is all too obvious to me that a degree from UW-Madison isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Thank God I transferred to an out-of-state school.

Anonymous (May 10, 2005 @ 8:51am):

""And technically, anti-Semitism didn't exist until the 1870s, when a political group in Germany declared themselves anti-Semites, declaring their hatred for Jews was based on science..."

Wrong. You're referring to the Jewish race myth, which Hitler adopted from some half-assed anthropologist from Britain."

Actually, that poster was right. You might want to look up Wilhelm Marr, the key figure in the organization in question. Before Marr, there was only anti-Judaism. After Marr, there was also anti-Semitism.

Anonymous (May 10, 2005 @ 11:16am):

"that's some fucked up jew "logic""

Fucked Up Bigoted Dumbass Logic:

"I don't like what you said. You must be a Jew."

If the Jews didn't hate you for being a racist, they'd certainly hate you for the same reason everyone else hates you: you're an idiot!

Anonymous (May 10, 2005 @ 1:47pm):

Jew isn't a race, it's a weird ass religion.

Anonymous (May 10, 2005 @ 3:52pm):

"Jew isn't a race, it's a weird ass religion."

Actually, ALL religions have a certain degreee of peculiarity about them. No reason to be a smart-ass, kid.

Anonymous (May 10, 2005 @ 3:58pm):

can't we just lay it on the line and discuss (CPRS) chronic "palestinian" road spaghetti and its morality in comparison to the relatively peace-loving israelis?

Anonymous (May 11, 2005 @ 7:01am):

"can't we just lay it on the line and discuss (CPRS) chronic "palestinian" road spaghetti and its morality in comparison to the relatively peace-loving israelis?"

How about this: Destroy Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad. Not only will the Israelis be happy, but the Palestinians will feel liberated for once. No more terroists to recruit their children to perform suicide bombings and the Israelis will chill and there will finally be peace. The terrorists are the ones keeping it going. Eliminate them and people on both sides will be free. That is where it must begin. Vilifying the Israelis or Palestinians as you choose will never accomplish anything. You must always be smarter than the enemy, and the enemy is the terrorists, not the innocents on both sides who fight each other and forget why.

Anonymous (May 11, 2005 @ 2:54pm):

and then what? the jews will just try to screw them over like they do everyone throughout history

Anonymous (May 11, 2005 @ 3:55pm):

"and then what? the jews will just try to screw them over like they do everyone throughout history"

This person wouldn't know history if it jumped up and kicked him in the ass. The Jews have rarely screwed over anyone in their history. By contrast, my own Catholic Church has made a habit over screwing them over in the past 2000 years or so, and most Protestant denominations have been almost as bad. Not to mention most Muslim groups of the past 1000 years. And since Israel was created 57 years ago, the UN and most of the world has taken extra special care to villify Israel for doing things every other nation does as a matter of routine, even when Israel takes more precautions to preserve human life and dignity than any other nation.

I will never understand why so many people in Madison insist on hating Jews for no reason and loving people who advocate murdering Jews.

Anonymous (May 11, 2005 @ 4:12pm):

That's because liberals and conservatives in Madison are deranged Nazi pigs. They wouldn't give a shit about solving a problem, let alone discussing it rationally. Most of the posts here are from stupid college kids who probably won't even graduate unless the UW decides to lower its standards to that of a Special Ed class. Kinda makes you wonder what kind of leadership Wisconsin will have ten years from now.

But there appears to be a ray of hope. The poster who wrote that terrorists orgs should be confronted first got it right. They must be put out of business before peace can even be possible. Both Israelis and Palestinians would readily agree on that. Terrorists are just as much of a threat to Arab countries as they are to Israel. Both Arabs and Israelis pray for the day when they will be stopped. Most Arabs would rather just leave Israel be and get on with the business of tending to internal crises in their own countries.

Enough of the bashing already. You are all college students. Time to start acting like it.

Anonymous (May 11, 2005 @ 4:24pm):

"and then what? the jews will just try to screw them over like they do everyone throughout history"

Fuck you, cheddarhead! Why don't we just kill your ass instead? This is the kind of mentality that UW-Madison churns out every year? Maybe I should transfer out of state. God knows I wouldn't want "University of Wisconsin" printed across MY diploma. No wonder this school has such a hard time recruiting from out-of-state. Pretty soon, This school will go bust. Then all you'll have is...Whitewater. Ha-ha!

Anonymous (May 11, 2005 @ 4:25pm):

"The Jews have rarely screwed over anyone in their history."

And precisely when did Jews ever screw anyone at all? Care to explain?

Anonymous (May 11, 2005 @ 6:29pm):

how about their usury in Germany before World War II -- how about their manipulation of world financial markets and precious metals.....

oh yeah, we don't say "jewing" without reason

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 12:58am):

"how about their usury in Germany before World War II -- how about their manipulation of world financial markets and precious metals.....

oh yeah, we don't say "jewing" without reason"

That was propaganda started by the Nazis, you idiot! The Germans were dumb enough to believe it. How about you, Mr. UW-Madison College Student? The next thing we know, you're gonna plunge straight into Holocaust denial mode and incur the wrath of your grandparents who served in Europe in WWII.

Yeah, it looks like a degree from UW-Madison isn't worth a dime these days!

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 4:06am):

it is a good point though....why do the jews get a free pass on everything....hmmm

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 5:26am):

"it is a good point though....why do the jews get a free pass on everything....hmmm"

Jews have NEVER gotten a free pass on anything, ya redneck asshole! Your comment is further proof that a UW degree is worthless.

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 9:30am):

"how about their usury in Germany before World War II..."

Germany's economic woes were not caused by Jews in any way. They were caused by several other European countries demanding excessive reparation payments from Germany for damages caused by Germany in WWI. France, in particular, was expecially uncaring for the extreme hardship reparation payments created on Germany.

Jews in Germany were mostly doctors, lawyers or worked in the visual/performing arts.

As for the usury charge: Many countries throughout Europe forced Jews to work as money-lenders. They were ordered to charge impossible interest rates and all interest was forwarded to the governing power. If Jews could not collect the loan, it was their tough luck. And they still had to forward whatever interest was due...out of their own pockets. Of course, Jews didn't work in money-lending for very long. If they ran S&L's and if they were allowed to run them THEIR way, loan applicants would surely have gotten a better deal.

Nowadays, damn few Jews work in money-lending, so don't rage at them if that payday loan you got from that check-cashing place is killing you. It's not run by Jews. As you can see, Jews are very careful to pick and choose their professions so they don't end up being accused of anything. And the media is certainly not run by Jews either, just because you see a few actors and directors working in Hollywood. And less than 3% of all representatives in local, state and federal governments are Jews.

Any other myths about Jews that anyone would care to submit for discussion?

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Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 12:20pm):

Judging the state of the entire UW-Madison based on the Badger Herald message board is far more ignorant than most of the ridiculous posting going on.

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 12:44pm):

"Judging the state of the entire UW-Madison based on the Badger Herald message board is far more ignorant than most of the ridiculous posting going on."

The fact that the posts are made by students-most of 'em, anyway-and the fact that the Badger Herald actually allows them to be posted is sufficient enough to judge the university as a whole accordingly. What else need be said?

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 12:44pm):

That's such bullshit...jews have been fucking people over for centuries.

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 12:48pm):

"Wisconsin is a Nazi state."

Yeah, that explains why we have to Jewish senators.

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 1:06pm):

"That's such bullshit...jews have been fucking people over for centuries."

You know, most people would take you for a right-wing extremist, but considering that this is Madison, Wisconsin, you could just as well be a left-winger.

Of course, you could also be an employee of the Badger Herald. THAT would certainly explain everything.

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 1:25pm):

Please do not judge all of the UW by the posters, my brother and many friends attended UW and never ended up with the issues these people have, despite the Professors attempts to indoctrinate them. The one thing i find amazing is how many people i know who were bleeding heart liberals during college and for a few years after graduation, but after a few years in the real world change their political leanings.

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 2:00pm):

It's no wonder that Jews would be so persecuted. Every time a civilization has some kind of crisis, they always find someone to scapegoat. Jews are almost always scapegoated simply because they are so few in number. And since there are so few of them, it is absurd that anyone would blame them for problems that such a small demographic could not possibly cause. Lots of morons like to accuse Jews of world domination. Come on, how could a people barely 1/100th of 1% of the world's population pull off such a grandiose scheme?!

OPEC countries love to blame Jews and Israel for the oil crisis the West is having, but where's the proof? When has Israel ever bombed an oil-drilling site or a pipeline? What Jewish interest has ever attempted to meddle in petroleum markets to up the price of a barrel of crude?

So if Jews are to blame for so many problems, who else is on the shit list? Blame Native Americans for compulsive gambling if you keep losing your paychecks at the casinos? You'd have the same problem in Las Vegas. Stop gambling! Who would you blame for your problem with alcohol or drugs? You, that's who! You got yourself hooked, you can jolly well stagger on down to the rehab clinic and get yourself unhooked!

Not enough rational thinking in this world, that's the problem. That's why there's no cure for cancer. That's why there's no balanced budget. That's why wacko dictators stay in power for so long. That's why our nation's colleges and universities are churning out idiots. That's why we'll never figure out a way to fuck while running at full speed.

Now back to square one. Put the blame where it belongs. If all the Jews in the world disappeared, you'd still have to pay a ton o' bucks to fill your tank, you'd still get cancer, you still may not get laid next weekend, and you'll sure as heck still have to pay off those doggone student loans! There'll still be wars, famines, disease and acne. There'll still be taxes, bills, spam e-mail and losing seasons for your team. There'll still be other students whose grammar, spelling and punctuation are way friggin' better than yours. There'll still be crossword puzzles you won't be able to solve completely. There'll still be holes in the ozone, mediocre movies and TV sitcoms, dropout on your sound card when you try to record audio, and the fact that the hot-looking babe you've been eyeing for the past two weeks is a lesbian after all and you ain't gettin' any, stud muffin!

Jews deal with a lot of the same problems everyone else deals with, plus they often take the blame for crap they've got nothing to do with. Stuck in traffic? Check out the Jewish guy two cars back. Surprise! He's stuck there too! Not only that, he has to listen to losers like you bitch out your car window about "those pinhead Jewish urban planners whose dumb ideas caused citywide traffic to bottleneck here!" Hey, at least you're two cars ahead of him. Does that make you feel better? Got a tattoo you're having second thoughts about? Lots of Holocaust survivors have tattoos they didn't have any choice about.

So 1) put the blame where it belongs and 2)count your blessings. The world had problems before Jews came along and it'd still have problems if they left. The only difference is that you won't have the Goldsteins down the street to blame anymore for the weeds on your front lawn, Mr. and Mrs. Urban Warrior. hee-hee-ha-ha! Deal with it.

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Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 2:12pm):

"The one thing i find amazing is how many people i know who were bleeding heart liberals during college and for a few years after graduation, but after a few years in the real world change their political leanings."

Yeah, but that's just it. They take too long to grow up. Mentally, they're stuck in 7th grade. Emotionally, they're still in what Freud called the anal phase, meaning they're hands are still stuck up their asses. Conservatives have a similar hang-up, except that they're hands are usually stuck up someone else's ass.

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 2:34pm):

as long as it's not a gay man's ass.

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 3:25pm):

"as long as it's not a gay man's ass."

Sorry, but gay men aren't safe from the cold, far-reaching hands of a conservative either.

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 3:30pm):

"Any other myths about Jews that anyone would care to submit for discussion?"

Ever hear the one about how Jews are behind some grand conspiracy to take over the world and that they control the media and the economy?

I wish I had that kind of power. Should I sign my post "Elder of Zion in Training"?

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 4:07pm):

"Ever hear the one about how Jews are behind some grand conspiracy to take over the world and that they control the media and the economy?"

That myth was already dispelled in an earlier post.

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 4:14pm):

"Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion" is some fictitious crap, presumably made up by some 19th century Russian Army officers so the czar could have some bullshit pretext to persecute Jews. Apparently he somehow felt threatened by the fact that Jews exist, or perhaps he needed to justify his own attempt to scapegoat them for God-knows-what. And this was long before anyone ever thought of starting a communist revolution to oust him.

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 4:18pm):

Hey, just in case anyone mentions that Karl Marx was a Jew, he was only Jewish until he was six years old, when his dad decided they were going to become Lutherans instead. Eventually he became a full-blown atheist and never reconciled to the Jewish faith.

Just trying to stop another myth before it starts.

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 7:36pm):

jews control the media and try to act as the world's thought police

Anonymous (May 12, 2005 @ 7:39pm):

where exactly do you get off trying to play jew victim 24/7?
oh, and...."former staffer" would be my status

Anonymous (May 13, 2005 @ 2:20am):

"jews control the media and try to act as the world's thought police"

Nope, that's what propagandists like you are trying to accomplish. You're the ones who try to force ideas down other people's throats, and kill them if they don't go along with you.

Anonymous (May 13, 2005 @ 2:22am):

I guess if Fayyad wanted to find a group of idiots to be his following, he'd try UW-Madison. After all, there's an abundance of idiots here.

Anonymous (May 13, 2005 @ 4:04am):

"where exactly do you get off trying to play jew victim 24/7?
oh, and...."former staffer" would be my status"

Ah, "former Staffer". Nice to know that you are out of a job...wait a minute...Pat Klemz, is that you? My God! Pat Klemz is out of work! Ha Ha Ha!

Anonymous (May 13, 2005 @ 4:33am):

"and the fact that the hot-looking babe you've been eyeing for the past two weeks is a lesbian after all and you ain't gettin' any, stud muffin!"

That's another thing the Jews have been unfairly blamed for! Jews don't control all the pussy in the world, lesbians do. We must destroy the lesbian paradigm before they successfully implement the secret agenda meticulously outlined in "The Protocols Of The Elders Of The Universal Lesbian Sisterhood"...just kidding. Lesbians are the most, really. Cheers!

Anonymous (May 13, 2005 @ 7:12am):

nah, I am just fucking with you...it's easy to stir up the jewish ppl.
No, I am not "Klemz."
I am alumni - 2001.

Anonymous (May 13, 2005 @ 8:19am):

"nah, I am just fucking with you...it's easy to stir up the jewish ppl.
No, I am not "Klemz."
I am alumni - 2001."

And you still haven't grown up yet. It's also easy for the Jewish people to kick your ass. Do you think they want to be any closer to another Holocaust? Sure, you're just "fucking" with someone, but if push goes to shove, watch out. You're gonna get your head smashed, farm boy. You are "fucking" with some folks who've been through the worst hell imaginable, and they aren't gonna let it happen again.

Anonymous (May 13, 2005 @ 9:34am):

hmmm "farm boy" How did you know? Because I didn't. From where I am sitting all I see is the skyline of Minneapolis. Of course, I suppose to a NY jew that's a farm...well that and any place that isn't stinky, crime-ridden and over populated.

And why would one assume the suffering of a previous generation for oneself?

Anonymous (May 13, 2005 @ 3:19pm):

If you'll notice in my last post I refer to Jews in the third person, meaning that I am not one. And for you to assume that I am from NY clearly shows that you are an idiot. Also the fact that you have the mentality of a 3rd-grader shows that you are indeed a redneck asshole from the Midwest, which is typical in this region.

Anonymous (May 13, 2005 @ 3:49pm):

"From where I am sitting all I see is the skyline of Minneapolis."

So you're from the twin cities, eh? Isn't that the home of many a white supremacist group, namely the National Socialist Movement and the now-defunct Panzerfaust Records? My, what "positive influences" they seem to be on your way of thinking. It certainly explains your anti-Jewish disposition.

By the way, Minneapolis is every bit as filthy and smelly and crime-ridden as any other major U.S. city, so what do you have to brag about?

Anonymous (May 13, 2005 @ 5:22pm):

"Also the fact that you have the mentality of a 3rd-grader..."

Who said that guy has the mentality of a third grader? Don't you think you're not giving third graders enough credit? Even most kindergartners know better than to emulate a piece of crap like that guy!

Anonymous (May 13, 2005 @ 6:26pm):

"Even most kindergartners know better than to emulate a piece of crap like that guy!"

Yeah, that's what YOU think, bucko! Obviously you aren't aware of the 3rd-graders' global conspiracy to take over the world using Super-Soakers. Did you know that the little twerps have just figured out a way to rig a Sony PSP to hack into government defense computers? Oh yeah! They finally fgured it out. You just watch, pal. Before you know it, they'll be using their iPods to buy stuff online-using YOUR credit card number.

Think you're safe? Think it ain't happenin'? Just watch, someday when you're scrubbing their toilets at gunpoint, you'll wish you'd wised up to 'em a long time ago. And then what're you gonna do? And then one day when they decide you're too ugly to look at, you be standing there tied to a stake while a bunch of snot-nosed 9-year-olds are doin' a war dance before they light you up. If only you'd listened sooner. If only!

Anonymous (May 14, 2005 @ 3:42pm):

oh joy, now some damn greedy jew wants to buy the Vikings.....no doubt they will run the team into the ground with their cheapskate antics.

Anonymous (May 14, 2005 @ 4:27pm):

"oh joy, now some damn greedy jew wants to buy the Vikings.....no doubt they will run the team into the ground with their cheapskate antics."

Really? How much better were they when a Gentile owned the team? Hey, some of the best CEOs and producers and directors in Hollywood are Jews. Just because they run a business better than you doesn't mean you need to be jealous, plowboy. Envy is just a loser spinning his wheels in the mud.

Anonymous (May 14, 2005 @ 11:06pm):

keep trying to justify your gold digging

Anonymous (May 14, 2005 @ 11:19pm):

Instead of singing the National Anthem before a Vikings game, they'll sing Ha Tikva. Ha ha ha ha!

Anonymous (May 15, 2005 @ 4:09am):

"Alliance of misinformed, morally bankrupt supporting Israel" the title reads.

Fayyad, you'd consider us to be misinformed and morally bankrupt whether we support Israel or not! Why should we give a shit about you and your people when the Arab world doesn't give a shit about 'em either? Why not just get Jordan or Saudi Arabia to take 'em in?

Or maybe the real reason nobody cares about any of you is because you're all a bunch of manic-depressive, passive-agressive psychos who just don't know when to quit.

Anonymous (May 15, 2005 @ 3:35pm):

"oh joy, now some damn greedy jew wants to buy the Vikings.....no doubt they will run the team into the ground with their cheapskate antics."

The real naqba is that jackasses like the guy who posted that ^^^^^ were ever born.

Anonymous (May 15, 2005 @ 4:35pm):

You know, anyone who celebrates the bombing of the World Trade Center like the Palestinians did is one bunch of assholes I don't give a shit about. Fuck 'em all! And to those of you who bash Jews over the whole thing: Fuck you too! What a bunch of pussies! First some wacko dictator in Europe tries to exterminate them, then they get their own country, then a bunch of uppity Arabs try to stop them, The Jews defend themselves, and now all the Arabs in the world are whining because for once Jews are able to fight back. Crybabies!

I'll tell ya, I don't get all worked up every time I read in the news about Israel tearing down some poor Palestinian family's home after one member of the family becomes a suicide bomber. Why the hell didn't the parents stop their kid from doing it? And where did all this bullshit about paying the suicide bombers' families $50,000, and that the bomber will live on in paradise with 70 virgins get started? Man, if the Palestinians are dumb enough to fall for that shit, I say fuck 'em!

I agree with another poster who wrote that efforts should be concentrated on getting rid of Islamic terrorists organizations. THEY are the ones who keep shit happening over there, not the Israelis.

Another thing: Jews do not and cannot possibly have some kind of conspiracy to take over the world. Where does this shit come from?! What neo-Nazi website did some shithead paste that crap from? All that BS about Zionist conspiracies has been around for over 150 years, and no one has ever been able to prove it. Why? Because it just ain't fucking happening! I mean, just because their are a few Jewish congressmen doesn't mean shit! By the same logic, that would mean that with few Jewish doctors,there's some kind of Jewish profiteering conspiracy in the pharmaceutical industry.

To make a long story short, there are just too many shitheads believing everything they hear. Nobody wants to think for themselves. It's just a mystery as to how these assholes get into college in the first place. Maybe that's where the conspiracies really begin, with the assholes.

Anonymous (May 15, 2005 @ 4:36pm):

Anonymous (May 15, 2005 @ 5:58pm):

Is there not a reason for stereotypes.

Anonymous (May 15, 2005 @ 6:27pm):

"To make a long story short, there are just too many shitheads believing everything they hear."

Speaking of gullible shitheads I don't who is worse, Newsweek or the Moslems.

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Newsweek has now basically said "Never mind!" in what is essentially a retraction of a report claiming that interrogators at Guantanamo Bay had desecrated the holy Koran -- a report that led to angry riots in Afghanistan and more than a dozen deaths.

Anonymous (May 15, 2005 @ 6:38pm):

The MSM gets it wrong (again) because they want to be first with the BIG story and the reporters hate Bush and the military. Also, the crazy Moslems make Pat Buchanan and the Christian right wing-nuts look positively reasonable. Pathetic!

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Two points: (1) If they had wrongly reported the race of a criminal and produced a lynching, they'd feel much worse -- which is why they generally don't report such things, a degree of sensitivity they don't extend to reporting on, you know, minor topics like wars; and (2) If a blogger had made a similar mistake, with similar consequences, we'd be hearing about Big Media's superior fact-checking and layers of editors.

People died, and U.S. military and diplomatic efforts were damaged, because -- let's be clear here -- Newsweek was too anxious to get out a story that would make the Bush Administration and the military look bad.

http://instapundit.com/archives/023000.php

Newsweek isn't the problem. The problem is that people will kill over a book being desecrated. Actually, over a anonymous report buried within a third rate weekly magazine. There is something wrong when people value a book, of which there are millions, over human lives. This is the real problem, and Newsweek isn't the source of it. The problem is an ignorant and violent subculture within the islamic world, and the general lack of tolerance about religion therein.

Anonymous (May 16, 2005 @ 1:55am):

oh yeah and israel is just oh so perfect as they kill Palestinian families...

Anonymous (May 16, 2005 @ 6:49am):

"oh yeah and israel is just oh so perfect as they kill Palestinian families..."

Now let's try switching a couple of words around:

oh yeah and Palestine is just oh so perfect as they kill Israeli families...

The latter is how it always starts.

Any other Madison liberals with something "intelligent and thoughtful" to say?

Anonymous (May 16, 2005 @ 6:52am):

Yeah, I read about the riots in Afghanistan. Pretty pathetic. Kinda makes you wonder why the rest of the world even bothers to be so accomodating. I say let's just take over the Middle-East. It would certainly be more justifiable than invading Canada. Besides, stuff's cheaper in the Middle-East than in Canada anyway.

Anonymous (May 16, 2005 @ 1:38pm):

"oh yeah and israel is just oh so perfect as they kill Palestinian families..."

Newsflash, brainiac: Palestinians kill far more Palestinian families than Israelis. In fact, Palestinians kill far more people of any nationality than Israelis do. Maybe that says something about their wanton disregard for human life, you think?

Anonymous (May 16, 2005 @ 3:13pm):

The following are excerpts from this week's official Friday sermon on Palestinian Authority (PA) TV.(1) The preacher is Sheik Ibrahim Mudeiris, a paid employee of the PA. To view the sermon visit http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=669 .

"Allah has tormented us with 'the people most hostile to the believers' ? the Jews. 'Thou shalt find that the people most hostile to the believers to be the Jews and the polytheists.' Allah warned His beloved Prophet Muhammad about the Jews, who had killed their prophets, forged their Torah, and sowed corruption throughout their history.

"With the establishment of the state of Israel, the entire Islamic nation was lost, because Israel is a cancer spreading through the body of the Islamic nation, and because the Jews are a virus resembling AIDS, from which the entire world suffers.

"You will find that the Jews were behind all the civil strife in this world. The Jews are behind the suffering of the nations.

"Ask Britain what it did to the Jews in the early sixth century. What did they do to the Jews? They expelled them, tortured them, and prevented them from entering Britain for more than 300 years. All this was because of what the Jews did in Britain. Ask France what it did to the Jews. They tortured them, expelled them, and burned their Talmud, because of the civil strife the Jews wanted to spark in France, in the days of Louis XIX. Ask Portugal what it did to the Jews. Ask Czarist Russia, which welcomed the Jews, who plotted to kill the Czar - so he massacred them. But don't ask Germany what it did to the Jews. It was the Jews who provoked Nazism to wage war against the entire world, when the Jews, using the Zionist movement, got other countries to wage an economic war on Germany and to boycott German merchandise. They provoked Russia, Britain, France, and Italy. This enraged the Germans toward the Jews, leading to the events of those days, which the Jews commemorat today.

"But they are committing worse deeds than those done to them in the Nazi war. Yes, perhaps some of them were killed and some burned, but they are inflating this in order to win over the of the media and gain the world's sympathy. The worst crimes in history were committed against the Jews, yet these crimes are no worse than what the Jews are doing in Palestine. What was done to the Jews was a crime, but isn't what the Jews are doing today in the land of Palestine not a crime?!

"Look at modern history. Where has Great Britain gone? Where has Czarist Russia gone? Where has France gone - France, which almost ruled the entire world? Where is Nazi Germany, which massacred millions and ruled the world? Where did all these superpowers go? He who made them disappear will make America disappear too, God willing. He who made Russia disappear overnight is capable of making America disappear and fall, Allah willing.

"We have ruled the world before, and by Allah, the day will come when we will rule the entire world again. The day will come when we will rule America. The day will come when we will rule Britain and the entire world ? except for the Jews. The Jews will not enjoy a life of tranquility under our rule, because they are treacherous by nature, as they have been throughout history. The day will come when everything will be relived of the Jews - even the stones and trees which were harmed by them. Listen to the Prophet Muhammad, who tells you about the evil end that awaits Jews. The stones and trees will want the Muslims to finish off every Jew."

Endnotes:
(1) Palestinian Authority TV, May 13, 2005.

For more information on the subject: See "Palestinian Authority Sermons 2000-2003," December 26, 2003, http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sr&ID=SR2403

*MEMRITV Clip No. 647, "Sheik Ibrahim Mudeiris in a PA Friday Sermon: Muslim Prisoners Are Forced to Convert to Christianity in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine," http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=647

*MEMRI TV Clip No. 608, "Palestinian Authority Friday Sermon: The Time Has Come for the 'Great Jihad,'" http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=608

*MEMRI TV Clip No. 563, "Sermons on Palestinian TV," http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=563

Anonymous (May 16, 2005 @ 3:55pm):

Fuck M_slims, "u" included, Fayyad.

Anonymous (May 16, 2005 @ 8:56pm):

"Fuck M_slims, "u" included, Fayyad."

There's just no call for that. Fayyad may be a terrorist and a douchebag, but there are plenty of good Muslims in the world who don't deserve this kind of abuse. Many of them serve in our armed forces and are actively fighting the war on terrorism.

Anonymous (May 16, 2005 @ 9:37pm):

NEWSWEEK is misinformed, morally bankrupt!

People willing to kill over a thing like this are NOT good. No how, no way, never in a milliom years. Makes the yahoos fussing over flag burning look positively reasonable.

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"In Pakistan and Afghanistan destruction of the Qur'an is seen as blasphemous and punishable by death. In the US, destruction of any religious text is a constitutional right."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1485635,00.html

Anonymous (May 16, 2005 @ 9:50pm):

Newsweek ran the story knowing that it would excite the passions of the world's Muslim population.

Contrast this with the media's refusal to show pictures of our fellow citizens jumping out the the world trade center. We were told that such pictures would unneccessarily anger the American people and lead to violence against Muslim Americans.

Anonymous (May 17, 2005 @ 12:35am):

I saw them jumping...not spashing though...I hope it's a peaceful way to go - no pain?

Anonymous (May 17, 2005 @ 8:03am):

"I hope it's a peaceful way to go - no pain?"

Yes, there is pain. Theoretically, you would die of massive cardiac/respiratory arrest on the way down. That's painful enough. If you're lucky, you'd black out before you hit the street.

Anonymous (May 17, 2005 @ 8:05am):

"NEWSWEEK is misinformed, morally bankrupt!"

So is al-Jazeera. So is Cosmopolitan, Hell, so is Penthouse, Hustler, National Lampoon, The Onion, The Badger Herald...

Anonymous (May 17, 2005 @ 9:19am):

So how many have died as the result of a story in the Onion?

OTOH, false stories in al-Jazeera have probably killed many people.

Anonymous (May 17, 2005 @ 4:47pm):

Is Newsweek run by jews?

Anonymous (May 17, 2005 @ 4:52pm):

"So how many have died as the result of a story in the Onion?"

LOTS! Open your eyes, you fool! It's happening all around you!

C'mon, like you couldn't tell that I was kidding about the Onion? I mean, didn't the thought even cross your mind that I might actually work for the Onion? God, what a dork!

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