"...strategy of bullying, intimidation and threat."

But he does stop short of sending teen-age suicide bombers onto buses full of women and children.

I suppose you would prefer a wimp who would toady to the French and get of his knees to North Korea and Iran attempting craven appeasement of tyrants.

Look Fayyad, "mainstream" America is sick and tired of supporting an organization that has been systematically shown to be morally bankrupt. One can literally pull conflicts out of a hat and find nary an instance where the UN HASN'T made some catastrophic mistake.

But this isn't about their history of mistakes, it goes deeper. Bolton is being sent to the UN to specifically address the culture of an institution that would have Syria and Cuba on their Human Rights council, an institution that would would stand blindly by while Saddam bribed everyone in site, and whose Sec General would place a wreath on Yasser's grave.

It isn't unilateralist to oppose such nonsense, it is good taste and good sense.

Wow, do you republicans even know what diplomacy means? You do realize this is for the UN right, as in UNITED NATIONS?! You can't go into there trying to bully around the rest of the world. All you do then is create enemies. And when you create enemies you creat terrorists. Wait, now it all makes sense, because as long as they are cranking out terrorists we will have to keep being scared into voting republican.

Why is common ground with North Korea and Iran a good thing? They are both attempting to develop nuclear capability so they can blackmail other countries.

If the U.N. is really so multi-lateral, it shouldn't need the United States.

Let's start with what diplomacy is not: it is NOT giving nuclear materials to the North Koreans, giving them financial support and turning a blind eye when they use both to develop a nuclear bomb.
Diplomacy is NOT giving ICB missle capability to the Chinese Communists.
Diplomacy is NOT pandering to a formerly vanquished country (France) and a formerly Nazi country (Germany) for every foreign policy decision.

It seems to me that this Bolton guy understands how to drive the hard bargains that true diplomacy demands.

"You do realize this is for the UN right, as in UNITED NATIONS?! You can't go into there trying to bully around the rest of the world."

Yeah, this Bolton guy just doesn't understand that we go to the UN to spit on and disrespected. We pay for the hogs to feed at the trough and then we get sh1t on.

The UN is just SOOOOOOO effective - Rwanda, Sudan, Congo, everything they do in Africa has been a disaster.

Amazing! Not once did Fayyad mention I-s-r-a-e-l in this opinion piece. Nice work, Fayyad!

The Bolton nomination along with the Wolfowitz nomination to the world bank are both REALLY scary. Its one thing for Bush & Co. to fuck over the people that elected them, but its another thing entirely to subject the rest of the world to these two extremists.

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"Why is common ground with North Korea and Iran a good thing? They are both attempting to develop nuclear capability so they can blackmail other countries."

No they're not. They're attempting to develop nuclear capability so they can BOMB other countries. That's much worse than blackmail.

Yet another article that makes this guy look like a retard. Why not just give Palestine control of the world, we know that is what he really wants.

dude, the author of this piece doesn't even know who bolton is. he just gets riled up because maybe now, the UN won't condemn every little thing israel does while turning a blind eye to arab atrocities. maybe now, the UN can actually do something positive for the sake of the world...

This guy is another god-damn Israel-first Zionist Warrior. Bush does a great job at giving them the keys to our Foreign Policy. And look what happens? We get into endless occupations a la the West Bank and Gaza. The only reason I approve of such absurd and outrageous nominations is that the American public is waking up the fact that Israel has got our country by the balls. While Christian and Jewish Zionist freaks seem enthralled, what they are forgetting is that an entire generation is growing up feeling contempt for Israel's arrogant abuse of their lobbied strangulation of American foreign policy. So I say to AIPAC (who is being watched quite carefully now), enjoy it while it lasts. Because it won't last too long.

Fayyad is right on. And the usual chorus of Fayyad haters come out of the woodwork. Come on people, Bolton is a retard, through and through. He is a poke in the eye to the U.N., as if the Bush Adminstration needs to do a goddamn thing more to disrespect it. Bolton is one of the worst choices possible, but hey, I don't expect anything else from Bush than the worst possible decision.

It is almost funny, you anti-semites and France lovers and general appeasers. And what makes it the most funny is that the rational people have won.

And it is also funny that a president of decidely mediocre intellect is going to go down as one of the best and most important foreign policy makers of his time. It wasn't Clinton, or Bush 1 or Reagan that said enough was enough, it was W.

He said we've had enough of terrorist and militant Islamists and Arab dictators. The people of the Middle East deserve better our security requires it.

Israel is right and the terrorists among the Arabs are wrong and you idiots might as well get used to life in the 21st century.

How, exactly, does the "right attitude" result in "tough bargaining"? What, exactly, will we be doing to impose our "right attitudes" in order to achieve common goals? Bargaining implies giving some back--that's what diplomacy is. It's not posturing for the sake of your conservative constituency.

Look, of course large portions of the UN suck. Such nations include Syria and Pakistan, who have been at times "allies in our war on terrorism." So while attacking liberals for pandering to a former Nazi regime (one of the stupidest arguments I have ever seen on this website, which is saying something), don't overlook all of the horrible things and regimes Bush supports because of realpolitik. Taking a "hard stance" on the obvious flaws of the UN isn't going to help us work with other nations on Iran, or North Korea, both situations for which, you mouthbreathers might note, we need other countries. Unless, of course, US foreign policy will now only consist of invasion.

Bolton's a loose cannon, pure and simple. If you want Bush to withdraw from the UN (good luck), than say so, but don't champion the appointment of someone whose very appointment is a calculated insult to other nations of the world.

I'll believe the rational people have won when the Bush administration can run the occupation without 5000% markups on gas or "losing" nine billion dollars, making sufficient body armor, not making arguments that the occupation would "pay for itself." Whatever the laudable nature of Bush's goals, the execution has been crap, and Bolton's appointment is just one more piece of that puzzle.

"The terrorists are wrong..." Thanks! Glad we cleared that up--most of us are sitting around wondering whether or not we should embrace terrorism.

Negotiating doesn't mean surrender. If you come from a position of strength, why should you give that up without compensation?

That UN, always so sensitive to the feelings of the Palestinians (you those SOBs who danced in the streets and gave out candy on 9-11).

http://www.nysun.com/article/10695

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan's decision to lay a wreath at the grave of Yasser Arafat while on his way to the dedication of a Holocaust museum in Israel is infuriating New York politicians and Jewish leaders, some of whom are labeling Mr. Annan's gesture "outrageous," "grotesque," and an example of "mindless incompetence."

Jeffrey Wiesenfeld - one of the members of the United Nations Development Corporation, the city-state entity overseeing the [U.N.'s planned] expansion - was also outraged by Mr. Annan's gesture. "It's certainly not in his self-interest, nor in the interest of the image of the U.N., to put a wreath at the grave of such a vehement Jew-hater," Mr. Wiesenfeld said, adding that he would be no more appalled if Mr. Annan had honored the grave of Hitler henchman Adolf Eichmann, who implemented the Nazis' "Final Solution."

"As far as Jews are concerned, the only difference between Eichmann and Arafat is that Eichmann mechanized Jewish murder, and Arafat would do it, as they say, on the installment plan. The concept is the same," Mr. Wiesenfeld, who is the son of Holocaust survivors, said.

"...waking up the fact that Israel has got our country by the balls."

WTF you smoking? Israel is the USA's only reliable ally in the Middle East. I suppose you'd rather have your balls in Saddam's hands? I know Saddam would prefer that to his current situation.

Hey, do you have any material from sources other than zionist rags like the NY Sun and some blogs?

Nobody here is trusting the Jew York Times, let alone the Sun.

What, you disbelieve that Kofi got lost on his way to the Holocaust museum and ended up at Yasser's grave in Arafatistan? Or do you think that eveidence of his diplomatic expertise?

No, no, Annan did, I just don't find the Sun's analysis creadible, and I don't find the visit to be wrong.

Remember, this country, for a long time, thought of Nelson Mandela a terrorist, and Martin Luther King a nigger. When some day you do enough reading, from reliable sources that is, you'll apologize for defaming Arafat.

"Hey, do you have any material from sources other than zionist rags like the NY Sun and some blogs?

Nobody here is trusting the Jew York Times, let alone the Sun."

Well, now that we know just how anti-Jewish Madison liberals are, we can see where they're really headed.If the Badger Herald is willing to print the above post, then they must be Nazi assholes too!

We all can't be as sensitive as the republicans. What better way of paying your respect to the holacaust victims then by wearing your giant parka and snow boots.

"...by wearing your giant parka and snow boots."

Yeah, that's exactly like paying tribute to a Jew murdering terrorist on your way to the Holocaust memorial, no differnce at all.

"...by wearing your giant parka and snow boots."

Take a clue from the French - they always dress up really nice when they go out to burn down synagogues.

"Nobody here is trusting the Jew York Times, let alone the Sun."

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Klavern!

"Nobody here is trusting the Jew York Times, let alone the Sun."

Mohammed Abed, is that you? Or is it just Fayyad?

"Nobody here is trusting the Jew York Times, let alone the Sun."

Wow. I hope that comment doesn't get deleted. Look, Liberals. There's your future.

Do you really hate Bush so much that you will ally yourselves to THAT creature?

"Nobody here is trusting the Jew York Times, let alone the Sun."

Ah, the true face of liberal Madison.

Anyone else think it's funny that some conservative wrote that disgusting "jew york times" thing just to get the reaction "this is the true face of madison liberals." Seriously, is it more likely that a minority fearing CR wrote that or that a liberal actually said that about the notoriously liberal race of people. Let's get our heads out of our asses and see what's really going on.

There's no reason to believe that a conservative wrote that comment about the "Jew York Times". Anti-semitism is certainly a growing problem of the Left. These days, the Left has such murderous hatred of Bush and America that it will align itself with any savage who also hates Bush or America. Arab anti-semites fit the bill, so how can a good Lefty turn them away?

See the Lefties march with Palis Berkeley. Some are overtly anti-semitic:

http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

Isn't it the conservatives that hate the "liberal media", and aren't they under the assumption that the liberal media is ran by jews?

Here's a good UN cartoon:

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/Cartoons/03-12-2005.gif

It is run by jews...even this newspaper is now run by a jew.

well jews are dayumed smart. and hard working. and they have a lengthy history with being literate since it is important to their religion...so jews in the business of language (read and spoken) only makes sense, for they excel in those areas...but not basketball. usually. has anyone seen the guy playing for UAB in the tourny? his name is Jihad Muhammad...just like team america!

"These days, the Left has such murderous hatred of Bush and America that it will align itself with any savage who also hates Bush or America"

I am so fucking sick of liberals being labeled as unamerican. If we all hated america as much as you conservatives say we do wouldn't we just love to watch america go down in flames? Wouldn't we love a president that turned us into enemies in the rest of the world? The fact of that matter is that if we hated america then we would love bush because of the shittabulous job he is doing for our name around the world. Exactly where in the constitution does it say that questioning authority is anti american? Get a real fucking argument and stop using that unamerican bullshit. And in reference to that ridiculous jew york comment, whether or not the comment was made by a liberal it is insane how much the conservatives are jumping on it. Yes, the comment was incredibly stupid, but in the republican way the conservatives have singled out that one lone moronic comment in order to avoid discussing the true issue at hand. That's how the republicans work, keep forcing a faulty issue on america in order for them to never have to talk about the real ones. Anyone else notice that the day before the much hyped steroid trial began congress allowed drilling to begin in the alaska wild life reserve?

Hey, the Republicans have a right to call liberals anti-american because it is not as if they ever questioned anything done by a democratic president. And they certainly would never question a president when troops were in harms way, such as say in Kosovo during the late 90s. They never attacked Clinton then did they?

The wild life reserve? You mean the tundra where most animals can't even survive? You want to paint it as a beautiful place to be...and it just isn't.

Keep up the great work, I agree, Dolton is a jerk. Best regards from a friend.

How did this forum turn into a discussion about Israel and Jews? Supporters of Israel are disgusting. It's OK with them of these articles criticize the US, regardless how harshly. But when there is mention of Israel, they are using intimidation and ad hominom attacks to by pass the point. And this time, there was even no mention of Israel, and they still went nuts.

To answer that last question, I think this is what happens when they don't print a paper on Friday and people are bored. By the end of spring break I can't even imagine what this forum will turn into.

Smart? more like cheap and ready to exploit others.

"Smart? more like cheap and ready to exploit others."

Are you a troll or just plain stupid?

"Supporters of Israel are disgusting."

And therefore Jews are disgusting? I have a feeling that's what you are really saying. And is this also to say that supporters of terrorists are saints?

Well, they aren't very good looking.

"Well, they aren't very good looking."

Dude, you haven't seen Monica Bellucci or Natalie Portman, just to name a couple!

All Bolton wants is for the UN to be relevant. We saw the UN fail to act against Iraq despite 10 years and multiple resolutions against them. This ineptitude on the part of the UN - led by French and German self-interests in remaining relevant on the global stage - led to the US's need to take the matter into its own hand.

By nominating Bolton, Bush is basically putting a guy in the UN who will demand a "put up or shut up" accountability for the organization. The first test will probably be Iran, which seems determined to see its nuclear ambitions referred to the UN Security Council. Disagreements at the Security Council regarding Iran would only seal the fate of the UN as an irrelevant organization.

jews are annoying

I love jews. It's republicans that I can't stand.

"jews are annoying"

There aren't enough of them around to be annoying, you dimwit!

I cannot believe I am reading some of the coments on here. For all the talk about the need for diversity and acceptance, it seems that the student body has to start all the way at the top.

This is just a classic case of a disagreement about policy turning into bigoty and racial hatred.

Jewishness isn't a race, it is a religion (a weird one at that).

Diversity, yeah right! Madison liberals bitch left and right about the need for diversity awareness, then they make an exception with Jews. It's like Jews are the only exception. I'd really like to hear an explanation from a Madison liberal. It would be really interesting to hear what kind of bullshit excuse they have for persecuting Jews, and to hear them try to deny it while the evidence is as plain as it gets!

What's ironic is how the Badger Herald keeps all of these anti-Semetic post on the site but were quick to delete a bunch of anti-ASM posts in an article about a week ago.

Just like a jew...always assuming that they are being victimized

Doug Feingold? Is that one of Russ's kids?

Oh my god people, honestly. Are you taking all of these comments to heart? Obviously people are very very bored and like to see what happens when other idiots take their idiotic statements seriously. Stop encouraging them and stop responding to their little game.

Oh my god people, honestly. Are you taking all of these comments to heart? Obviously people are very very bored and like to see what happens when other idiots take their idiotic statements seriously. Stop encouraging them and stop responding to their little game.

"Just like a jew...always assuming that they are being victimized"

Well, they ARE being victimized. And you are one of the assholes who are victimizing them.

The UN is a disaster!

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Congo's Desperate 'One-Dollar U.N. Girls'
Shunned Teens, Many Raped by Militiamen, Sell Sex to Peacekeepers

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52333-2005Mar20.html

"The United Nations is also investigating reports of rape or sexual assault in Congo, including one case in which a French logistics employee was found with hundreds of videotapes that showed him torturing and sexually abusing naked girls."

"How did this forum turn into a discussion about Israel and Jews? Supporters of Israel are disgusting..."

Maybe if morons like you didn't engage in ad hominem attacks on Israel and Jews at every opportunity, the forum wouldn't always be about Israel and Jews.

wow, elitist goyim and a-rabs off their rockers. i love when the american left and the arabian right link up! people this is a great message board...or should i say message bored. all the problems with the country right here on display.

Stop being tools of the right! Stop responding to these ridiculous post obviously created by bored CR's trying (and succeeding I might add) at making the left look dumb. Stop responding to this crap and you will stop provoking people to keep writing it.

"...obviously created by bored CR's trying (and succeeding I might add) at making the left look dumb."

Yeah, nofair - the left can look dumb without any assistance.

Hey, these people were stupid and immature enough to stage an "eat-in", so I they are hardly above posting bogus posts. All of the racists posts were merely playing off of stereotypes and sounded as if they were written by a five year old. Is it more likely that there is a gang of vicious anti-semetic hippies running around madison, or do we think that the republicans are just bored and engaging in their typical dirty politics. I do truly feel for the jewish community right now. Being falsely allied with the republicans is a punishment I would wish upon no one. This is going to be one hell of a long week.

More UN news of "peacekeepers" looking for a piece.

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AUSTRALIAN soldiers drew arms to protect themselves from Jordanian peacekeepers after a Digger blew the whistle on other Jordanian soldiers' sexual abuse of East Timorese boys.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12607859^2702,00.html

What the hell is a nofair?

"What the hell is a nofair?"

What a little kid says when faced with perceived injustice:

NoFair, NoFair (sometimes followed by "Do-Over, I want a Do-Over", kind of like the Dems after the last few elections).

Yeah, questioning voter irregularity sure is being a cry baby. So is it the same kind of cry baby injustice when they repubs check out irregularities in milwaukee?

"So is it the same kind of cry baby injustice when they repubs check out irregularities in milwaukee?"

What, you missed all the Dem whining about that?

The UN is a disaster!

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To understand the novelty of the current moment it helps to look back a bit. A United Nations is a good idea - maybe. But long ago the UN began to veer away from its original mandate of preventing wars. By the 1970s it had made itself into a stage for anti-Americanism. By 1975 its General Assembly had passed the "Zionism is Racism" resolution, thereby denying the legitimacy of the only democratic state in the Middle East. Problems were always blamed on the US-Soviet standoff, yet after 1990, they persisted.

The US, for its part, played a critical but distant role - withholding dues, pushing reform only intermittently. Today the UN is still a theatre, alternating between tragedy and farce. It was tragic to see Libya named chair of the UN Commission on Human Rights. The oil-for-food scandal was also tragedy. But the UN policy on gender? Farce. On the one hand, the UN hosts sanctimonious "women's summits". On the other its high commissioner for refugees, Ruud Lubbers, must resign over numerous allegations tha the sexually harassed female subordinates for years. Even centrist Americans nowadays view the UN as bankrupt and dispensable.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/amityshlaes/as20050320.shtml

http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/5963.shtml

it's from europe!!! you'll like it. read about the guy fayyad doesn't know anything about except for the fact that he may not condemn israel every time pali terrorists position near kids and get them killed so they can appeal to lefties and arabs. a match made in heaven with 72 virgins and fluffy clouds.

Actually, and I know it's ironic, but the Republican party may better represent a lot of the issues that are important to Jewish Americans.

George W has stood strong 100% with Israel since before he was elected.

I seem to remember Klinton hosting parties with Yasser and his wacko wife (while ignoring Osama's plans to blow up New York).

I really enjoy Mark Steyn:

Sending John Bolton to be UN ambassador is like ...putting Sudan and Zimbabwe on the Human Rights Commission. Or letting Saddam's Iraq chair the UN conference on disarmament. Or sending a bunch of child-sex fiends to man UN operations in the Congo. And the Central African Republic. And Sierra Leone, and Burundi, Liberia, Haiti, Kosovo, and pretty much everywhere else. All of which happened without the UN fetishists running around shrieking hysterically. Why should America be the only country not to enjoy an uproarious joke at the UN's expense?

You people are the biggest anti-dentites I've ever seen.

Did you mean dentate?

PS. "You people" is a certified racist slur.

certified racial slur? I'm sorry, I didn't realize we were giving out certificates to different phrases. And who nominates the phrases for these awards? "you people" should in no way be a racial slur. I am betting more than one race posted on this website so far... and more than likely the same race as that poster. Makes it hard to have "you people" be racist in that situation. Of course, there was the antisemtic jewish temple (thanks southpark.

"you people" should in no way be a racial slur.

Maybe not, I don't think so, but...

"Being a student of color, I found it very offensive that he would approach me and use the language 'you people,'" Sutton said in an interview.

http://badgerherald.com/news/2005/03/16/protesters_rally_at_.php

I also seem to remember bush ignoring things like "osama intend on striking america"

'You people' are hypocrites.

So this is what a degree from UW-Madison is worth. These are the kind of graduates this school will be handing out diplomas to this Spring. Thank God I go to Minnesota.

We may disagree with many things on this board. Some of us are jews, some hate jews. Some hate bush, some would pay to suck his cock. But we can all agree on one thing, minnesota can stay off of our msg board and stay the hell out off of our campus. We don't need them fucking up our state st. anymore on halloween. Get the fuck out of here gopher.

"We may disagree with many things on this board. Some of us are jews, some hate jews. Some hate bush, some would pay to suck his cock. But we can all agree on one thing, minnesota can stay off of our msg board and stay the hell out off of our campus. We don't need them fucking up our state st. anymore on halloween. Get the fuck out of here gopher."

I AM out of here. I'm posting from Minnesota, cheddarhead! And the morons who are "fucking up State St." are from Wisconsin, not Minnesota. God, I can't believe how retarded you assholes in Wisconsin are! You find it sooo convenient to blame all of your problems on people from out of state. What a bunch of losers!

Wisconsin. You're among fiends.

So who's got the axe, hoser?

also, who has a real college campus and a normal mascot?

"also, who has a real college campus and a normal mascot?"

Never mind that! Who's got the ego, the idiots and the shitty football team?

The idiots and the shitty football team are in minnesota. The ego is at U of I though. I'm originally from illinois and even I hate those smug urbana fucks.

Seriously man. Maybe you have something with that ego thing, but do you even want to discuss academics and football compared to us? What are your school rankings again? Oh ok, because we are in the top 30 schools in the nation. Sorry you had to settle for your saftey school, but it's not our fault. And football, were you guys in the running for the national championship till the last two weeks? Oh, again I didn't think so. Dumb ass.

Zimbabwe, another UN failure.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/23/opinion/23kristof.html?hp

"When a white racist government was oppressing Zimbabwe, the international community united to demand change. These days, a black racist government is harming the people of Zimbabwe more than ever, and the international community is letting Mr. Mugabe get away with it."

Kofi Annan needs his arse kicked and John Bolton is just the person to do it!

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Kofi Annan's idea of "reform" is more of the same--and lots more money.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/cRosett/?id=110006456

Minnesota Mud Ducks. Buncha loozers.

"We is sophisticated"

The sins of the son...

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/e5978f06-9b1c-11d9-90f9-00000e2511c8.html

Kojo Annan, son of Kofi Annan, United Nations secretary-general, received at least $300,000 from Cotecna, a Swiss inspection company awarded a contract ultimately worth about $60m under the Iraqi oil-for-food contract.

The amount was almost double the sum previously disclosed, but payments were arranged in ways that obscured where the money came from or whom it went to.

Did anyone see the Minnesota Golden Chokers basketball team get its ass kicked by a shitty Iowa State team? Wasn't that funny?

Or watch the Minnesota Vikings perform their annual implosion? Yippee!!!

Bolton for President. Someone who demand results, not playing patty-cake with our international peers.

"Someone who demand results, not playing patty-cake with our international peers."

I agree, except we have no peers. That's what irks the French - the USA is a hyper-power while they are a sad little has-been.

"That's what irks the French - the USA is a hyper-power while they are a sad little has-been."

The French are most definitely NOT a "sad little has-been." They're a sad little never-was. Get your facts straight!

Well there was that Napoleon Bonaparte guy and I heard that Marie Antoinette was a hottie.

WOW - they may have their pay docked for rape!

Peacekeepers need to be punished for any sexual abuse, their pay docked and a fund set up to assist any women and girls they impregnated, a new U.N. report said on Thursday.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=586&e=3&u=/nm/20050324/wl_nm/un_sex_peacekeepers_dc

WHY JOHN BOLTON & ISRAEL HATE THE UN:
Hmmm. Israel calls itself a democracy while illegally occupying millions of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza for over decades, essentially trying to break their will to make way for their biblical or talmud inspired "greater Israel" - a totalitarian state where being non-Jewish is illegal. And the UN opposes this. They simply ask Israel to go back to its 1967 borders. Hence, Israel, Bolton, Wolfowitz and the rest of the Israeli-American Neocons (who lead Bush around on a stick promising him the Jewish vote) despise the UN.

"... totalitarian state where being non-Jewish is illegal."

As opposed to the surrounding totalitarian states where being Jewish is illegal?

If the last commenter bothered to get his head out of his ass, he or she would know that although Israel is a Jewish state, it is not a crime to be Christian, Muslim, or something else there. Contrast that with, say, Saudi Arabia, where authorities can shoot you for practicing any religion other than the Wahhabi bastardization of Islam. He or she would probably also know that whereas the UN has wasted over half its resolutions condemning Israel for one perceived human rights violation after the other, it has done little if anything to rectify the invasion of Tibet by China; the occupation of Lebanon by Syria; the wholesale denial of the national aspirations of the Kurds, Armenians, and Euskadians; genocides committed in Rwanda, Bosnia, and East Timor; the embezzlement of Iraqi funds by UN officials administering the oil for food program; sexual assaults by UN troops throughout Africa and the Middle East; Russian and French attempts to help develop nuclear technology in Iran and North Korea; the placement of such terrorist states as Libya and Sudan on the Human Rights Commission when their governments routinely torture, rape, and murder their own people; and the use of UNRWA facilities and European aid to launch terrorist attacks against Israelis. The UN has singled out Jewish ethnonational aspirations alone among all ethnonational groups in the world as being racist; the UN has condemned Israel for defending itself against terrorism, despite the obvious fact that Israel's response to terrorism is almost always far more restrained that what would be expected of any other nation in the world; the UN supports Palestinian national aspirations that would make it illegal for any Jew to live in Palestinian territory, but demands that Israel allow so-called refugees to return to land they almost all voluntarily abandoned with the encouragement of the Lebanese, Syrian, Egyptian, Jordanian, and Iraqi armies and governments in 1948; the UN refutes any call to compensate the 800,000 Jews who were forced to abandon their homes on penalty of death in Arab lands, but were successfully absorbed resettled in Israel, while not only demanding that Israel compensate the roughly 800,000 Palestinians who fled in 1948, but also refusing to hold the much wealthier Arab nations to account for intentionally failing to do anything to improve conditions for their Palestinian so-called brothers.

In short, there is an obvious double standard in the UN -- that everything Israel does is evil, and everything the Palestinians do is good. As a liberal myself, I am ashamed that this reductionist, oversimplified, and wrongheaded view of Palestinians as "the oppressed" and Jews as "the oppressors" is common in liberal circles like the UN. The UN's collective view on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is analogous to the lawyer who sues on behalf of the thief who breaks into a house to steal all the valuables, only to be shot when he tries to rape the occupant. The force used to stop the thief/rapist is certainly justified and warranted, yet there is always some greedy, morally challenged dimwit ready to sue on the thief/rapist's behalf.

And apparently, there's always some moron ready to deny reality here at the BH as well.

not to mention, that even if you are going to say that israel is occupying land ("palestine" doesn't exist and never has as an independent entity, thus the very word is allusory and misleading) THEY LOST A WAR THAT THEY STARTED (several times)!!! and when you lose a war, you lose land, ask the indians. (unless you call wisconsin "occupied territory" you are exposing your antisemitism)...see the rest of the planet for other examples if you must.

Gosh, it must really suck being a liberal these days! To think that one must take the side of a bunch of Muslim extremists like the Palestinians because everyone else is would certainly be unpleasant. No one believes in live and let live anymore, everyone insists that they're right, no one wants to meet halfway. So much for independent thought.

"Gosh, it must really suck being a liberal these days!"

Um...I'm guessing you missed the post two before you from the person who wrote, "As a liberal myself..." and derided the prevalence of such wrongheaded thinking among liberals.

You probably also missed those ultraconservative groups like the KKK and the Aryan Nations, who think Israel should be destroyed because Israel is a Jewish state. So it seems that lack of independent thought isn't merely a phenomenon of the left after all.

no, but the left is dominated by it's fringe. (dean, kucinic, kerry, edwards, kennedy, clinton, boxer, reid, rangel, byrd, gore, etc etc). there are very few moderates for the dems...only lieberman is in the middle and he gets lambasted for it. no doubt the right has such groups...but they remain on the fringe.

One look at these posts and I can see just how boring life can be for those who have nowhere to go for Spring Break. And after reading these posts, I can see why they have nowhere to go.

The UN, for when you want absolutely nothing done about a problem.

"Very little has been done to stop the cause of the problems of displacement, starvation and disease -- and that's the fighting," said Ken Bacon, the president of Refugees International. He fears the United Nations may never act on Darfur.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/03/24/sudan050324.html

"no, but the left is dominated by it's fringe. (dean, kucinic, kerry, edwards, kennedy, clinton, boxer, reid, rangel, byrd, gore, etc etc)."

If you think Kerry, Edwards, Clinton, Reid, and Gore are "fringe," you're delusional. And they're not that far left of Lieberman, either.

Now, if you want to talk about a party being dominated by its radical fringe, how about the Republicans? Bush, Cheney, Hastert, Frist, DeLay, Lott, Santorum, Blunt, Hyde, Chenowith -- not a moderate among them. And they've abandoned all the values that once made the Republican Party great. They're almost enough to make me leave the GOP and become a goddamn Democrat.

"One look at these posts and I can see just how boring life can be for those who have nowhere to go for Spring Break. And after reading these posts, I can see why they have nowhere to go."

And yet you still posted. You're either a total loser or you're a hypocrite. Personally, I think you're both.

10,000 Peacekeepers to Be Sent to Sudan, U.N. Council Decides

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/25/international/africa/25sudan.html

I'll just bet that the Sudan's women and girls are looking forward to all that "peacekeeper loving" they're so famous for!

"And yet you still posted. You're either a total loser or you're a hypocrite. Personally, I think you're both."

Oh yeah? Well, you're a barf bag! How'd ya like that, huh? Ha ha! BARF BAG, BARF BAG!!

President Bush's pick for U.N. ambassador has been one of its most vehement critics. That may make him the best man to help fix it

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/mar2005/nf20050325_4392_db056.htm

75% of the named "fringe" republicans i've never heard of...the writer forgot ahnuld, mccain, gulliani and other prominent figures who are much more common faces of the party. the other writer who named all those dems was right, they are united dems, but they all reflect a cbs/moore viewpoint. sorry, but as far as diversity of opinion...dems lose...name one other than lieberman who supports war/pro-life/pro death penalty/anti euthanasia/pro "bush doctrine." there isn't one prominent democrat who shares any conservative viewpoints...but there are plenty of repubs who cross over party lines on several issues. duh.

also, what values (that made the gop great)did they abandon? is it that they cornered democrats by usurping many of their positions about liberty? maybe.

how could that guy not think Kerry, Edwards, Clinton, Reid, and Gore are NOT fringe...ok, yea, the point was that they unfortunately represent the face of the party...so, i guess they ARE mainstream (for libs)...but they do not represent the mainstream american (see elections)...they are extreme leftists (see voting records and unhinged comments 24/7)...like that's not the obvious statement of this entire board. if you can't see how nuts those guys are...maybe you and ward c. can see eye to eye.

Clinton is one of the most moderate liberals in recent memory. He signed the defense of marriage act. He attacked Kosovo when he thought there was a danger there (and the right attacked him then, even though our troops were in harms way). He was a man who didn't hesitate to use force when he needed to and who sought to protect marriage. It has always amazed me that such a moderate dem has been demonized by the right. And the poster was completely right about the repubs leaving their issues to move to the far far right. Read "It's My Party Too" by Christie Todd Whitman for further examination of this issue. They used to be a party that was more liberatarian in ideals, and now they are just busy bodies. Before republicans wanted less government in life. Now they want to pass constitutional amedments on marriage and have things like the Patriot Act. On paper the ideals of the republican party (small government) would appeal to most liberals. Unfortunately in practice lately the republicans are nothing more than small minded hypercrites.

"name one other than lieberman who supports war/pro-life/pro death penalty/anti euthanasia/pro "bush doctrine.""

How about one of the Dems you're characterizing as hopelessly liberal, Harry Reid? He supported the war, he's anti-abortion, he favors the death penalty, and he's against euthanasia. Your definition of the "Bush Doctrine" isn't clear, but Reid has also said he favors pre-emptive attacks on enemies that present an imminent threat to the national security interests of the United States. Yeah, he's hopelessly liberal all right.

As for the poster who listed a number of far-right Republicans and the respondent who claimed not to know who any of them were, here's a rundown:

Bush: President of the US
Cheney: Vice President of the US

(If you didn't know those two, you're too dumb to post here.)

Hastert: Speaker of the House of Representatives

Frist: Senate Majority Leader

DeLay: House Majority Leader

Lott: former Senate Majority Leader

Santorum: Senator, chair of the Republican Conference

Blunt: Representative, House Majority Whip

Hyde: Representative, former House Policy chair

Chenowith: I assume this was a reference to Helen Chenoweth-Hage, the former Representative from Idaho who argued rabidly in favor of Clinton's impeachment on the grounds that a president who cheated on his wife had no right to remain in office. At the time, she was having an extramarital affair of her own.

The point is that all of these people (with the exception of Chenoweth) are currently the Republican Party's leaders. The critic complains that "the writer forgot ahnuld, mccain, gulliani and other prominent figures who are much more common faces of the party," but Herr Gropenfuhrer, McCain, and Giuliani do not set policy for the Republican Party. Bush, Cheney, Hastert, Frist, DeLay, Lott, Santorum, Blunt, and Hyde do. And they're all slightly to the right of my high school government teacher, who believed that immigrants should be shot at the border, that women's place was barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, and that non-Christians should be forcibly expelled from the country.

Wow! Right after the "BARF BAG, BARF BAG!!" poster, we begin seeing some intelligent commentary once. I guess it has to get worse before it gets any better. But it is nice to see an upswing in IQs, that's for sure!

Jerk off, hippie. You have the IQ of a gnat.

Looks like the Kommies at BH deleted all of the posts.

"Jerk off, hippie. You have the IQ of a gnat."

You know, gnats are pretty smart. Actually, I'm a conservative. I'm clean, well groomed and I'm an upperclassman.

Must be a Jew with nothing to do on Easter.