Oh now come on, this is just shitting on ASM for the sake of shitting on ASM. There are plenty of other things out there more deserving of your shit. For shit's sake they're doing us a favor so lazy fucks like me don't have to do any shit. Besides, shit from the administration tends to resonate with parental units more than shit from their own kids, so that shit would be more effective in getting shit done than whatever stupid shit the Herald Ed. Board would ever suggest. Shit.

And since the parents in question don't actually *live* in Madison, but actually other areas of the state (ya know, the rest of Wisconsin) they have different state representatives. Contacting them means that the university can inform them of decisions being made in the state legislature that affect their pocketbooks and their children's education here in Madison.

Shit, indeed. Does ASM owe you guys money or something?

umm... no. even if you go to school in madison you still have your sttae representatives from home. fucking idiot.

The Badger Herald once again proves just how idiotic and irrelevant they can be. Thanks for reminding us.

I'm trying to figure out where in this letter it is going to say, "We would lobby for this ourselves, but we're too stupid and lazy to do it," or at what point ASM said they were going to stop lobbying on the budget and leave it all up to parents.

Wouldn't it *help* to have parents join students in pressuring the Legislature to reverse the criminal neglect of the UW?

Leave it to the Herald to criticize a good idea.

Gotta love ASM... they get a nasty editorial, pass it around the office and have all of their nitwits post feedback. nice jobs fuck-offs.

Yeah, bringing parents into this isn't such a good college idea. i don't want my mother and father concerning themselves with my education. but leave it to asm to think that my mommy and daddy need to be contacted because i cant look out for myself.

fuck you, asm

I think all you Wisconsin fucks just need to stop bitching and moaning. Why don't you check out other tuitions in the big ten, we are still in the bottom 2. Yes, tuition hikes will mean some people can't go to school. That needs to be fixed on a big national level. But in the current state of school acadamia UW is doing everything it can to stay competatively priced. Till we are hitting Michigan level prices stop bitching about the upper level education you recieve for the best damn value in the country. Maybe you cry babies do need mommy and daddy to help you out.

Right, we're all just ASM bots. Whatever makes you feel better.

I don't like ASM either, but give me a break! Do you really think most students can be trusted to engage in political activism? If you say "yes," you're either delusional or an idiot. And why shouldn't the parents be asked to write a letter? In most cases, they're the ones paying for our college education in the first place!

This editorial is absolutely right, and definitely one of the better ones published in the Herald recently. Also, I want to know how much such a mailing would cost the university in printing, handling, and postage costs. If the university has extra money laying around to do such a mailing, why do we need to lobby the legislature in the first place?

ASM does think we are all idiots. That is why they can lobby for lower tuition, but raise our seg fees constantly. Good job, it comes out of the same damn pocket. Until ASM shows any initiative to curb the growing tution with the part they have full control over, I won't trust any efforts they make.

First anonymous poster,

Can you say shit one more time in your post? Your shitty use of the word shit makes your shitty argument seem even shittier than the shitty piece of shit that it is. Shiiiiiiiiiiit.

I love how everyone throws around the rhetoric about the part of seg fees that ASM has full control over but don't actually know the amount ASM has full control over. Look it up,that amount is about 150 dollars, with a large amount going to the ASM Bus Pass, one of the most popular programs on campus. Now, if you want to complain about where the majority of your fees are going, look towards UHS,Union and Rec Sports, cause thats where the big dollars are and where students have the least say. That fee for the academic year is about 470 dollars and most of that amount goes to Health Services. But of course, continue to try to divert discussion from the issue at hand by bringing up seg fees, that tactic always seems to work.

That "tactic" just shows that we deserve better representatives lobbying for lower tuition. We students look like chumps up at the capitol because everyone there knows our "lobbyists" are inarticulate hypocrites.

My name is Lonely Donut Man and I'm here to say,
ASM's a bunch of douchebags in every way,
But Wiley and the legislature aren't much better,
That's why ASM sent that stupid letter.

The mailing will probably end up costing a lot, but if any of it comes from the students, it will probably be pocket change per student. And hopefully it will result in larger savings. In the end run though, it won't come out of the university budget or tuition, instead we're working with other external and independent groups like WAA.

I also love the hypocricy exhibited by all the liberal-haters out there. Oh, tuition isn't so bad, quit bitching because you still get in-state. But woe is me, SSFC takes so much of my money for seg fees! It's so back-assward that I think it's just for the sake of hating on people. Get your story straight, are you for spending more, or aren't you?

I'm very very liberal and I think it's ridiculous how much the in staters bitch and moan.