Thanks, Guv, for stabbing Wisconsin taxpayers and in-state students in the back. Next thing you’ll be making them eligible for financial aid, which we taxpayers will also have to pay for.

Our Government, past & present, Republican & Democrat, have allowed the invasion of 20 to 30 million criminals and uneducated peons which is the largest invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means & in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution.

This refusal to abide by our Constitution or enforce our Immigration Laws should be classified as Treason of the most foul kind, & as grounds for impeachment & trials for Treason!

Not only have they allowed the invasion, they force American tax payers to pay Billions on Billions of dollars to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders numerous children, and free medical care, at the same time the invading horde break numerous laws and massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture and standard of living while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens WAKE UP PEOPLE!

The pertinent federal law:

“TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 14 > SUBCHAPTER II > § 1623 § 1623. Limitation on eligibility for preferential treatment of aliens not lawfully present on basis of residence for higher education benefits

(a) In general Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident.”

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They can give illegal aliens instate rates. They just have to treat ALL U.S citizens the same way - according to the above federal law.

Funny how they think they have some right to ignore some federal laws and not others!

Good.

I want a refund for the non-resident tuition I paid for my son.

PS. Both of his parents, 3 of his grand-parents and all 8 of his great-grandparents graduated from Wisconsin High schools.

Does there really need to be another incentive for illegal immigration into Wisconsin? Isn’t taking jobs from legal residents enough? Do they have to take college away too?

Maybe the State just has lots of extra money to spend?

“The students must then sign a legal affidavit indicating they will seek residency in the near future,”

Ooooo, now that’s impressive - a legal affidavit signed by a criminal! What a bunch of morons the liberals are.

Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western Civilization as it commits suicide. - Jerry Pournelle

This is quite ridiculous. Not paying taxes, being criminals, and refusing to speak English, and now they’re getting benefits? Let’s put this money into the WISCONSIN School System instead of giving it away to those who definitely don’t deserve it.

Astonishing Doublespeak and ignorance by UW System spokesperson David Giroux — or perhaps a deliberate fraud… How? In true Orwelling fashion Giroux asserts:

“Therefore, while Wisconsin workers are in effect paying in part for the education of these undocumented residents through taxes, UW System spokesperson David Giroux does not see this extra cost to the state and workers as a cause of concern. With a college degree, the long run hope is these students will be able to receive high paying jobs when entering the workforce, Giroux said. He added higher paying jobs not only benefit the students themselves, but also the state as it receives more tax revenue off higher income…People who earn more pay more taxes and those revenues support universities and health care…”

This is an outright lie.

Fact 1: Illegal immigrants are Never authorized to work.

Fact 2: If an illegal immigrant does work without authorization, one of the following MUST occur: either (A) the illegal alien must present his employer with false documents which fraudulently establish his the right to work - and those documents must suceed in deceiving his employer into believing he not an illegal immigrant and is authorized to work, or (B) the employer must violate the law requiring employers to verify that all employees are authorized to work and be present in the United States.

Fact 3: In the case of (A) above, the illegal alien has committed the felony crimes of submission of false documentation to obtain a federal benefit (the right to work in the US), as well as possibly numerous other crimes depending on the source of the false documents (such as identity theft if the documentation is valid but belongs to another, legal resident) or forgery and falsification of official documents (if the documentation presented is forged).

There is no way around it. If a graduate from UW is an illegal immigrant, by law he CANNOT begin work at a “higher paying job” or any other job in the US, without committing one or more crimes — and not minor crimes but serious federal felonies.

Bottom Line: Mr. Giroux is encouraging felonious behaviour by talking about his illegal alien graduates working in the US after graduation.

Chill out crazy Mexican haters, and think about putting yourself in the situation illegal college students are in. Your parents brought you here illegally to try to make a better life for you, and it wasn’t your choice. You want to get a good job after high school, which is difficult to do without a degree. So you go to college. Since your folks are probably barely scraping by with their service sector jobs/welfare, how would you pay for school? You obviously speak perfect English, got good grades, and graduated from high school if you were even accepted into a university in the first place.

Okay, now tell me why an illegal student should not get in state tuition. They haven’t done anything wrong, so why punish them by making a 4 year degree totally unaffordable?

@ 11:53

Did you miss this line?

“To receive the tuition, the students must first have lived in the state of Wisconsin for at least three years and graduated from a Wisconsin high school. The students must then sign a legal affidavit indicating they will seek residency in the near future, according to a statement.”

If you’re a resident, then working isn’t illegal. Sorry you wasted your time writing that post.

I appreciate this opportunity. I was undocumented most of my life. I wasn’t even aware of it; I was only 7 when we escaped the violence from my native country. I didn’t find out about my status until I started applying to college and after I was named Valedictorian of my high school.

I struggled a lot, but I found a path to legal residence. Many of my peers who are in that situation are not that lucky. They are waiting for the opportunity to be productive American citizens. It is not because they want to take advantage of this ‘new’ country; it’s their home. They grew up here, just like I did. It wouldn’t make any sense.

To previous posters:

Not all undocumented immigrants are criminals. Yes, they may have immigrated illegally, but consider this: You’re living in some foreign country, where your people are being persecuted. There’s violence on the streets every day. Schools are shut down, people are losing their jobs, and you’re struggling to feed your kids. Do you really think you have the time to wait a year, perhaps more, for a visa to get into the US? No. You’re going to do what’s best for your children, and that’s getting them out of there and into safety. The majority are normal people escaping hardship and persecution, which, judging by your comments, you probably haven’t experienced. And it’s not that they refuse to speak English; when you’re working twelve, fourteen hours a day, learning English is not exactly that high on your priority list. Don’t believe me? Just google “braceros”, “field workers in the US”, and “Salvadoran civil war.”

12:12PM wrote: “Your parents brought you here illegally to try to make a better life for you, and it wasn’t your choice.”

Then allow them to rectify the situation by going back to Mexico.

“Okay, now tell me why an illegal student should not get in state tuition. They haven’t done anything wrong, so why punish them by making a 4 year degree totally unaffordable?”

An illegal should not even be in the country, that’s why! Think about the money being spent on them. That money could be used to pay tuition for an American student who IS a US citizen.

Here’s another thought: Mexico pays about $24 billion a year in federal fuel subsidies so they can fill up their SUVs for cheap. Mexico also offers free Viagra for men over 70. Free Viagra? For men over 70, who should be preparing to meet their Maker instead of getting laid? And the most obscene thing of it is that Mexican taxpayers are paying for it! But no, liberals like you want all natural-born US citizens to suffer so that illegals can sneak into the US and take away our jobs and education opportunities.

Look, if you really want to help poor Mexicans, start a movement to put serious political pressure on Mexican president Calderon to fix Mexico. He wanted so bad to be president and now he is, though he was elected under questionable circumstances. Every Mexican president for the last 70 years has done nothing to fix their economy. The best thing that ever happened to Mexico was getting tens of thousands of our manufacturing jobs. Ask an American who has lost a job to a Mexican how they feel about it.

Conservatives have always been idiots, but I never thought I’d see the day when liberals would be just as stupid.

1:14PM, you are so full of crap! OK, let’s do a reality check.

You wrote: “You’re living in some foreign country, where your people are being persecuted. There’s violence on the streets every day. Schools are shut down, people are losing their jobs, and you’re struggling to feed your kids. Do you really think you have the time to wait a year, perhaps more, for a visa to get into the US?

Violence? Schools shut down? People losing their jobs? Struggling to feed your kids? Sounds like…AN AMERICAN CITIZEN IN THE FRIGGIN’ US OF A!!! HELLO?!

“The majority are normal people escaping hardship and persecution…”

Yeah, and they come here and cause hardship for us. Meanwhile, you liberals couldn’t care less about Americans who are now homeless because your little messiah in the White House is dragging his feet.

“which, judging by your comments, you probably haven’t experienced.”

But thanks to your profound hatred of your fellow Americans, we finally ARE experiencing it. But it will be short-lived. You liberals are a minority here in Wisconsin. Conservatives and everyone else make up 82% of the population. Just watch Doyle’s little gem of liberal legislation get repealed when the next governor get in office.

We Americans also don’t like how you liberals always accuse us of being racist every time we try to protect our jobs from illegals. As if you couldn’t be more arrogant? These Americans who have lost jobs to illegals have done nothing wrong, and yet they are the ones you liberals love to displace to make room for Pedro and Maria. Another poster mentioned putting pressure on Calderon to fix Mexico. That is the only thing any American, liberal or conservative, should have to do for Mexicans. Our obligation ends at the border, not when we’ve starved to death because some illegal immigrant got the jobs we should’ve had.

Back in 2004 the blue states threatened to secede. This time the red states should do it. The blue states are now nothing more than shadows of their former selves. Wisconsin may be a blue state in an election year, but like another poster wrote, we are still a predominantly conservative state. Be watching for some real change next year. Then get ready to more somewhere else because you won’t be welcome here anymore.

yes, i understand how some people are terribly offended by immigrants taking their vegetable picking and office cleaning jobs. this nation was built by immigrants and at certain points in the past germans, poles, irish, and italians among others have all faced similar discrimination and hatred by “native (i.e. white)” americans. legality or illegality is subjective to the current point in time and increasingly irrelevant in a world where our borders are rapidly disappearing. get over yourselves and your tired conservative talking points.

Hope none of the immigrant haters ever have to flee the U.S. because of a terrible genocidal drug-war, raise their kids in a foreign land while working a difficult low-paying job, and still expect their children to have opportunities for themselves.

I don’t think a bunch of white Americans can get upset about immigration until the Native Americans forgive our illegal immigrant ancestors for the genocide they committed.

2:18

The big businesses of our country haven’t left many manufacturing jobs for anyone… illegal or US citizen. You can thank them for sending away a large chunk of American jobs.

All of the people complaining here seem to only see one side of the story and won’t even consider what life is like for those who were brought here to escape the hardships of their country. You seem to be more concerned how it’s going to possible effect YOUR lives and not the lives that it’s intended to help.

Furthermore, I’m going to make the assumption that you’re all Native Americans because unless you can trace your heritage to the pilgrims, I’m betting your ancestors were looking to start a new life in this country and were considered scum by the rest of America at some point in your lineage. Lucky for you, people got over that and gave them a chance to be an American, too.

The majority of these comments are an embarrassment to this state. Many illegal immigrants do work and actually end up getting taken advantage of by their employer due to their status - so they are not just a drain on society. Furthermore, the ones who are getting the in state tuition are graduates from Wisconsin high schools and have lived here for over 3 years - they should be getting in state tuition and it would be an injustice to require them to pay out of state tuition. It would do some good if some of you would turn off Fox News and actually understand the laws and policies behind them.

I think In-State tuiton for undocumented students is the best thing that has happened to this state! These kids strive for an education and know the value of it. People need to uderstand this and stop the animosity and hate.

I think it’s wonderul that States are finally starting to realize that immigrants are perfectly capable of contributing great things to this nation. I would also like to point out that even though some immigrants do use some of the resources available in this country, their contributions offset those costs. The next time you’re eating apple, think about who picked it for you. The probability that it was an immigrant is extremely high. Also think about how much you paid for that apple. Very few people be willing to do such back-breaking work for so low of a wage. It’s thanks to those immigrants that you didn’t have to pay 10 times as much for that apple.

Is this law applicable to anyone, documented or undocumented at long as s/he meets the eligibility requirement?

For example, does anyone know an international student who went to a WI high school legally (with F-1 Visa) for 3 years is equally eligible for in-state tuition? If not, it would be unfair in that being an undocumented student has merit over being a documented resident…. Just a thought.

Just wondering - how many of you here have lost your job to an illegal immigrant?

“until the Native Americans forgive our illegal immigrant ancestors”

The land was CONQUERED by our ancestors - there was no sneaking across the border involved. The earlier immigrants (they were no more “native” than the Europeans) were CONQUERED by those who came later, they lost - just like other people lost their lands throughout history. The Huns didn’t start off living in Hungary you know. I’m sure that the Anglo-Saxons would like their land back from the Normans but that ain’t gonna happen either! Besides, didn’t they “steal” the land from the Britons?

All land titles the world over are, at bottom, “By Right of Conquest”.

PS. The Mexicans make no bones about this illegal migration being an effort to reverse their land losses during their lost wars with the USA. If we do nothing they WILL win.

“Just wondering - how many of you here have lost your job to an illegal immigrant?”

Yeah, I’m sure that all college and high school students had no problem finding jobs last summer, you know, low skill, low pay jobs maybe for cash, like in days of yore?

“Hope none of the immigrant haters ever have to flee the U.S. because of a terrible genocidal drug-war”

If liberals would concentrate on the “genocidal drug war” south of the border instead of the imaginary genocidal war in Israel. I don’t care what’s going on halfway around the world, I care about what’s happening here at home. And if you liberals care so much about all these illegals, why don’t you get on Calderon’s ass and tell him to straighten out his country. I’m sick and tired of seeing the US turned into a dumping ground for Mexico’s criminals and rejects. We have Americans who are begging for jobs. We also have illegals doing jobs that pay $12-$18/hour. And they claim they do the jobs Americans refuse to do. Yeah, right! Try and find an American who’d turn down a job like that. How many illegals got hired at that new Hy-Vee out on East Washington? How many illegals are working on construction sites and road crews across Wisconsin? That’s how many Americans are homeless because employers prefer foreigners who will work a dollar and hour cheaper. And that’s not counting the families they have to feed.

So the next time a liberal says illegals are essential to keep the price of apples cheap, ask them what they’ll do when an illegal takes their job and it won’t matter how apples cost since they don’t have a job.

Much as I hate to criticize the Badger Herald, having known the founder, Patrick Korten, and having attended a independent college newspaper conference sponsored bu the paper in (if I recall correctly) 1972 (when the Barged Herald editor was in jail), I must still point out that your categorical statement that “Currently, the federal government has the right to punish states that provide in-state tuition to undocumented students by obligating those states to provide the same benefits as undocumented students to those who don’t live in the state, according to the terms of the Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996.” wrongly implies that said statute must cover the Wisconsin legislation.

The federal statute, correctly cited on this blog by Watchdog, refers to benefits based on residence. As pointed out in your article part of the criteria is not simply residence but that the person “graduated from a Wisconsin high school.” Similar language appears in the statutes of other states and the issue of whether this distinction prevents the legislation from running afoul of the federal statue is being litigate in the courts. Until there is a final determination by the courts your categorical implication above is simply an opinion.

Back in the 1970s we thought that freeing newspapers from the yoke of the university would enhance journalistic integrity. In the ensuing years it appears that journalistic integrity has become an oxymoron.

So what if I want to have cheaper tuition? Can I “undocument-ize” myself, and presto, half the price?

If your getting out of state tutition, it’s cause you haven’t lived in the state long enough. Undocumentizing your self wouldn’t change that. I would also like to reiterate the fact that the vast majority of people that cross the border are NOT criminals. They are good, hard-working people that are just trying to help their families. The US most definitely has trillions of dollars at its disposal. If you want to blame somebody, blame the government for not doing things right.

Congratulations for realizing that all human beings are worthy of dignity and hope. These children have graduated from high school, something that many young Americans struggle with. If high school graduation and in-state college tuition provide hope and opportunity to our youth - regardless of their legal documents - then we Americans can be proud of our country, our ideals, and our democracy. We can all be proud Americans today. God Bless America and may our next generation of college graduates contribute socially, morally, and economically to this great country.

I’m proud to be from a state (California) that offers in-state tuition to undocumented immigrants. Unfortunately, because the state legislature, and particularly the governor, isn’t willing to tax corporations and the richest people in the state, budget shortfalls are huge and education and many other public services are falling apart. Working people of all races and nationalities need to join forces to stop letting the state get away with this. NAFTA and CAFTA sucked jobs out of the country, and devastated Latin America, driving immigrants here. Citizens and immigrants have both been victimized by these schemes.

Well, no matter what all of you haters write, its going to happen. Take that pinches ojetes! - US citizen who doesn’t care where his tax money goes, as long as it funds education for ALL!

When it comes to illegal immigrants from dangerous countries overseas, it makes sense to have good protections in place, but when it comes to our southern neighbors in Mexico it’s sad and wrong. Why? Because for over 160 years Mexico has been the victim of a systematic de facto apartheid foisted on it by white supremacists in the U.S., and now that white supremacy is kaput it’s even more sad to see the legacy continue while the world is shrinking and we need each other more. Instead of trying to sort the millions of Mexicans in the U.S. into legals and illegals, or even trying to keep treating failed Mexico as a separate country, it’s time to try the Megamerge Dissolution Solution, where Congress officially invites the people of Mexico to dissolve their ever-corrupt cartel-controlled Mexican govt. in favor of joining the U.S. as 10+ new states, allowing the border to come down and free 2-way migration to finally allow Mexico to be developed as a sector of the U.S., alleviating the root causes of poverty, while expanding U.S. territory by 760K sq. mi., including 5.8K mi. of yummy new coastline, making it easier to defend against world terrorism. Click the url to read the original proposal now.

This is bullshit. I’m paying 22 grand a year to go to this fucking University (out of state) and now some ChimiChangas will get in state tuition? What the FUCK is this SHIT?! No wonder this campus smells like refried beans. Yo quiero free tuition mother fucker.

“PISSING out the window, and SHITTING out the window, are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!”

-TourettesGuy

The Badger Herald uses the term “illegal immigrants”

Why have I not read the terms “illegal drivers”? “Illegal drinkers”? “Illegal partying students”?

Why can you break almost any law in this country (including torturing people) and not even be called an illegal, let alone persecuted? But if your skin is brown, or your last name ends in “-ez” (remember, to be white the census still demands that you be non-hispanic) you are called illegal for much less.

A man can be convicted five times of murderously driving intoxicated and be called, the Honorable Representative so and so. My best friends, my cousins, my uncles, are called illegals. They have never hurt anyone. They have never tortured anyone. They did not make the economy of this country collapse. They did not steal millions. They do not murderously deny global warming. They do not hire death squads to murder union leaders in Colombia. They pay all their taxes, and will never receive a dime in social security payments. They prepare your food, clean your hotels, fix your house, your car, harvest almost everything you eat.

So let’s be honest here. You are calling them illegals not because they broke a law, but because they are brown.

For the Badger Herald to join the would-be lynch mobs in using this biased term is hateful, and ignorant. My own brother has already been threatened once in this state just because of the color of his skin. The latinos who have been murdered were never asked whether they were “illegals” or not. They were just shot in the back, beaten to death with baseball bats, poisoned by drinking tainted water left by vigilantes.

The association of latino and illegal is assumed more and more, because people like you, with the responsibility to do so, fail to curb the tide of hatred and inform pople. In fact, you join the clamor for blood.

Not too bright for university students. Shame on you, silly kids. Do some homework and think a little before you start playing journalist.

To the Idiot paying 22 grand a year to go to that particular university. Had you stayed in your state, you wouldn’t be paying out of state tuition, plain and simple. The DREAM Act requires that you attend high school in the same state that you want to attend college in order to receive instate tuition. In reality they aren’t receiving so called benefits over legal residents, they are just receiving what you guys do. So stop crying about paying out of state tuition. No one put a gun to your head and told you to leave your state…

Thank you, Thank you and Thank you again! For opening the door to the American Dream for many hard working phenomenal human beings. It’s been appalling watching enthusiastic, focused human beings who contribute SO MUCH to our American life style being barred from entrance to schools. YEAH!! Finally some forward thinking! Thank you again and again.

In-state tuition = financial aid.

It’s sad that this limited supply of aid is not used to help improve and educate Americans—especially during these hard times.

We don’t have a second Country that we can go back to (like illegals). This is it for us…