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SSFC votes down decreased seg fee

ASM committee keeps students’ rate at $192 per year to go toward construction

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The Associated Students of Madison’s Student Services Finance Committee voted against a proposal to recommend the chancellor decrease student segregated fees in the Union South project auxiliary budget.

After much debate, the student government voted against the proposal, maintaining the original budget decision to call for each student to be charged an extra $96 per semester in segregated fees during the years of the new Union South’s construction, beginning in fall 2009.

Currently, UW students are paying $48 extra each semester for the Union South project. The failed proposal called to keep the extra segregated fees per semester at this amount.

“In my opinion, the SSFC should only make recommendations to the chancellor, which will have a useful impact and that will increase our influence in future years, and I did not feel that would have any real impact,” said SSFC representative Tyler Junger.

SSFC Vice Chair Kyle Szarzynski and Badger Herald writer spoke in support for the proposal, saying the original proposal was passed through an undemocratic process.

According to Szarzynski, the original Union South project was only passed by a 6 percent vote and does not accurately represent the thoughts and needs of the students.

“This year, we wanted to recommend we reduce the segregated fee cost from $192 a year to $96 a year until the facility is completed because students should not be paying that much money for something that was voted on in an undemocratic nature,” Szarzynski said.

Szarzynski also said the committee should stand up for its beliefs, regardless of the probability their proposal will be passed by Chancellor Biddy Martin.

“We are saying that the committee should take a stand and uphold student rights for a completely illegitimate budget,” Szarzynski said. “It’s kind of disgraceful that it wasn’t passed and they wouldn’t stick up for it and we will be pursuing other avenues.”

Junger added the committee recommended the union conduct a study of the impact the segregated fee charge will have on students.

If results come back negative, the student government will consider making a referendum to the proposal.

The SSFC also recommended the union provide more specific documents that will help future committees determine whether segregated fees are being spent responsibly.


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Apparently Kyle is only masterful with words on paper, not through the mouth.

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I agree with Secretary Junger’s assessment that it would not be prudent to suggest a reduction of the fee that has been already decided upon.

First, regardless of anyone’s feelings concerning the validity of the election, the bonding has been set up, the fee structure has been put in place and for SSFC to take a position calling for its redaction would just signify a lack of sufficient understanding of the situation by student leaders.

Second, pragmatism should take the place of ideology when providing recommendations to administration. The authority and credibility of SSFC is jeopardized by taking the stance supported by Vice Chair Szarzynski. It is essentially a position of willfull ignorance to the functioning of the funding for the Union Building Project. Also, to argue an election as “undemocratic” (though the process was admittably flawed) and that failure to make this recommendation is an affront to “student rights” is unecessary inflamatory language that will likely, yet unfortunately lead to a greater disparity in the relationship between ASM and the Union (a relationship that is in need of repair).

I do think a prudent suggestion would be to recommend that the Union reduce costs in their proposed operating budget or more likely lessen their operating budget increases (ex. freeze their increases for a fiscal year) in a good faith effort to defray the costs to current students who will be unable to utilize the new Union South Building. I would argue that this proposal is a feasible request, albeit not one the Union - or any organization in a similar situation for that matter - would be entirely fond of, to balance the interests of continuing with the project while protecting the sanctity of the buyer-user relationship involved.

SSFC Chair Emeritus Kurt Gosselin

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haha, epic fail kyle, epic fail

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When will SSFC and ASM actually fight for the students?

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The “election” was insanely undemocratic, and anyone who argues otherwise is arguing in bad faith. The truth is that students voted AGAINST the seg fee increase, only to be told that a small number of spoiled ballots - significantly fewer than the margin of defeat for the seg fee increase - necessitated a new election. When the measure failed a second time, suddenly a third election was required, one with no electronic voting, extremely limited polling locations and hours, and no provision for absentee voting. After some illegal campaigning by ASM on behalf of the measure, lo and behold, the tiny percentage that actually voted approved the measure. Third time’s a charm, I guess, although I’m sure a fourth election would have been necessary if they hadn’t pulled it off in the third.

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"When will SSFC and ASM actually fight for the students?"

Fight for students rights by overturning a vote open to all students on campus that was upheld by the Student Judiciary and certified by the Student Election Commission? How exactly does overturning a valid student vote promote democracy?

The activists on the SSFC and the rest of campus could serve student interests a whole lot better by focusing their efforts on building support for additional state funds to keep tuition at current and even reduced levels. Or, they could productively influence the Union project by getting involved in helping to positively influence the new design.

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Thanks SSFC. Thanks for throwing more of my seg fee money away on this new union that I could care less about. Thanks for standing up for the students.

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Fortunately, the approach of Kurt, protegee Junger and the like - a do-nothing philosophy that refuses to put up a fight for millions of stolen student seg fee dollars - is nearing an end in the near future as more proactive students are set to take over ASM responsibilities next year. It is utterly disgraceful that the present Committee refused to take a substantive position against the wildly unpopular construction of the new union (even if by only a one vote margin), a facility few of us will ever use but one for which we will all pay a full $96 a semester beginning next year. The committee members who voted for the motion to reduce the seg fee levy - all of whom are likely to stay on next year - represent a new philosophy of ASM members, one which intends to make student government more relevant to students not by pandering to power, but by aggressively fighting for their interests, including control over their seg fee money.

Mr. Junger and and Mr. Gosselin elucidate the old way of thinking quite effectively. At the meeting, Mr. Junger seemed more concerned about the time availability of Union officials than making a substantive decision about where student money should go. He then proposed to allow the Union itself to evaluate the cost effectiveness of reducing the levy, essentially stripping students of whatever leverage and jurisdiction they have over its budget. And now we see Mr. Gosselin also giving all the leeway to the Union and entirely giving in to their dubious claims regarding the current bonding setup. The SSFC is supposed to be a committee that holds these organizations accountable. We should make them prove and justify their need for student money (especially when they are asking for so much of it), not harp about their time constraints and give in to everything they say.

It’s also important to note that, aside from the Union Initiative and all the shadiness associated with it, the Union has proven itself to be extremely disrespectful of the entire notion of student budget review. Though required by state law, the Union did not provide the Committee with the most basic documents required to make recommendations to their budget. The SSFC wasn’t even able to determine what our segregated fees were specifically funding. This is part of the reason why we weren’t able to recommend cuts in the “operating budget,” per Kurt’s suggestion - we had no line items from the budget to cut from because it wasn’t provided to us.

As other comments here would suggest, most students aware of this project - including myself, someone with student loans and work study - are outraged at having to pay almost $200 a year on this facility, especially considering that it was twice rejected by students with record student turnout.

However, Mr. Cornelius and his Union friends have not completely won their battle yet. Other members of the SSFC are still planning on introducing a referendum on this issue in the April ASM elections. Though its affect is not yet clear, I am completely confident it will pass by a large margin, proving once and for all that a majority of current ASM members do a horrible job in representing their so-called constituents.

SSFC Vice Chair Kyle Szarzynski

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I fully support such a referendum. Manipulating this whole process and then saying ‘it’s too late, we won’ maybe convenient for Cornelius but bad for students. We aren’t going away — the Union counted on everybody ignoring the hideous smell from their effort to ram this through.

Think again…

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From Kyle:

“At the meeting, Mr. Junger seemed more concerned about the time availability of Union officials than making a substantive decision about where student money should go (TJ: I thanked the Union for showing up to the meeting to hear their decision. I also voted against postponing the decision because reps. from the Union had already been at three SSFC meetings). He then proposed to allow the Union itself to evaluate the cost effectiveness of reducing the levy, essentially stripping students of whatever leverage and jurisdiction they have over its budget.”

From the meeting minutes:

“Sec. Junger moves to recommend that ‘The Union henceforth provide an assessment of how segregated fee funds are being spent in the Union South Initiative and whether the $96 total is being used responsibly and whether the total is necessary.’ Second by Rep. Michael VC Szarzynski speaks against the motion Sec. Junger moves to amend the motion to read “The Wisconsin Union, in close consultation with members of the Student Services Finance Committee, henceforth provide an assessment of how segregated fee funds are being spent in the Union South Initiative and whether the $96 total per student per semester is being used responsibly and whether the total is necessary for the Union South Initiative project.’”

When you’re making a motion in the middle of a meeting, it’s not always possible to think of every contingency. The recommendation that was actually passed was the one that placed responsibility in the hands of the SSFC as well as the Union. I even stopped myself in the middle of the amendment to revise the additional clause. I originally said “…in close consultation with members of the Student Services Finance Committee and ASM…” I realized, however that including ASM could be construed to either include students in general (as every student is a member of ASM according to the constitution) or to simply include members of the Union Council, who were appointed by ASM.

From Kyle:

“It’s also important to note that, aside from the Union Initiative and all the shadiness associated with it, the Union has proven itself to be extremely disrespectful of the entire notion of student budget review. Though required by state law, the Union did not provide the Committee with the most basic documents required to make recommendations to their budget. The SSFC wasn’t even able to determine what our segregated fees were specifically funding. This is part of the reason why we weren’t able to recommend cuts in the “operating budget,” per Kurt’s suggestion - we had no line items from the budget to cut from because it wasn’t provided to us.”

From the meeting minutes: “Sec. Junger moves to recommend that in future years, the Union provide financial statements for Maintenance and Grounds departments, Payroll and HR departments, IT department, WUD, and Marketing and Development expenses. Second by VC Szarzynski. Rep. Williams moves to amend the amendment by removing WUD. Second by Sec. Junger Question Called, motion passed. Sec. Junger moves to strike Marketing and Development expenses from the recommendation. Second by Rep Knox Question called, motion passed. Question on main amendment called by Chair Fergus. Motion passed. Sec. Junger moves to recommend that in future the Union provide to the SSFC financial statements for WUD and Marketing and Development expenses, as well as breakdowns of revenue and expenses for individual food units, instead of the broad categories of “restaurants” and “delis.””

If Kyle would remember correctly, I was irate before the Call to Order because we didn’t have these documents present at the meeting. I wanted to postpone until Monday so the Union could have a chance to get us those documents before we made a decision. After consulting with Jeff Rolling, president of the Union, leadership decided not to pursue postponement because we felt that it wouldn’t be feasible for us to get these documents in time. Kyle agreed with that decision.

I agree that students shouldn’t be required to pay for the building while it’s not open, but frankly, that isn’t realistic. I opposed the recommendation to keep the segregated fee levy for the Union project at $48 because I didn’t feel that any recommendation along those lines would have an effect when the SSFC presents to the Chancellor in April. It would look petty. It would look vindictive. It would cast doubt on every other recommendation and decision the SSFC has made this session.

I don’t agree that taking a firm stance is always the correct course of action. In an example that Vice Chair Szarzynski often references, ASM took a stance back in (I believe) 1999 when student action led to a freeze on tuition costs. But in 2009, tuition is twice what it was a decade ago. Freezing tuition and other similarly dramatic actions provide great sound bites, but the lasting change because of such actions is negligible.

Students would be better off if the SSFC gains more respect in the non-allocable process over a course of some years. By providing strong but feasible recommendations to the Chancellor students can assert their rights and increase their influence in the non-allocable process. For those that don’t know, non-allocable budgets represent about 80% of segregated fee funds; this year, the number is about $26 million dollars. About $350 per student. That number has increased greatly in the last ten years. It is in the interest of students to increase student input and influence in this process, and pursuing vendettas is not a way to achieve that goal.

SSFC Secretary Tyler Junger

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