Yet another reason why you shouldn’t join a shit frat like Sig Ep…no pun intended.

Sig Ep has been on social probation and had other sanctions before. This is a pattern.

this is a shame, but i heard that the seniors were the ones getting dumped on by the new members..not exactly hazing

As a non-greek member and student in the school of journalism I am extremely distressed by the biased tone in this article. It is not the job of the writer to judge the situation or to skew quotes given by sources. Not saying that what happened is in any way acceptable it does not constitute the negative light that is cast upon this student organization. Who edits this shit?

SigEp was on social probation for having an Alumni BBQ during the day…get your sources right. Also, their seniors take a bucket from their pledges, which makes this story pretty lame…Sorry NIck Penzenstadler but you will never be famous.

in the greek system, i’m going to refrain from saying which fraternity i’m in for obvious purposes, but all i have to say is that ZBT is the anonymous source, and i’m sorry, tattling on other fraternities isn’t going to make your dying fraternity full of our campuses biggest losers any better!

SigEp was put on social for an Alumni Homecoming BBQ. As for the hazing, I know that the seniors take a bucket from the new guys, as they always have. This is a story about nothing. If we want to discuss hazing, why don’t we ask about UW Graduate Admissions Process.

The eye witness could see vomit, what appeared to be feces, and urine. Were you inside of this bucket? Did you actually see urine? Are you sure it wasn’t just water, confetti, and syrup? Is this CSI Madison?

Typical journalism: Splash a huge story containing allegations across the front page; cite an anonymous source; print a follow-up/correction on page 6 in two weeks.

I am not a fan of the Greek system and I still find this type of reporting to be totally ridiculous and unprofessional.

Even if its not found to be a ‘hazing’ incident, who the hell would want to be part of an organization that celebrates such a disgusting tradition? I’m part of a Greek house and we have no such ‘tradition’ for any reason. What would be the reason for such a gross activity? Build unity? Why not do something that doesn’t single out a member based on their seniority in the house?

I’m glad I didn’t join that barnyard of a fraternity…

“The anonymous source said it appeared the fraternity was holding a “hell week” with lookouts near the fraternity doors, adding the event was clearly “unbecoming of a Greek.””

I know, Greek members of campus hold themselves to higher standards.

@4:08am

Seriously? This is why we all think you’re laughable - you all act like you’re still in high school. Frat politics… thanks for giving me a laugh to start my day.

Jeff Benson is my homeboy! He’ll find the truth and bring the pain, if necessary.

Once again, it was the pledges pouring this bucket on the Seniors. And second, this type of thing happens in every fraternity. People who think this is outrageous are ridiculous, people who think this is disgusting are probably right. Its gross but it is tradition, and everybody agrees to it.

this was a bucket dumped by freshmen onto seniors, hazing?

Hazing is constituted as any action or situation that intentionally threatens the mental or physical health of a student, for the purpose of “initiation to the organization…”

Said event was NOT part for the purpose of initiation. Nick Penzenstadler needs to get his facts straight.

Double secret probation!

“They were there in their boxers and having shit dumped on them. There is no conceivable way this isn’t hazing of some sort,” he said. “Anybody who knows anything about the Greek community and thinks it’s not hazing is delusional.”

Who is this “anonymous source”?? Is he some sort of expert on this fraternity? If Herald reporters like Nick Penzenstadler can print the quotes of any joe-schmo off the street and call it “news” then I am switching to reading the Cardinal. This is class “B” journalism at its best. At least he’ll probably find a job someday working for Fox News. They are about as “fair and balanced” as this news article.

Why are we debating whether or not this is hazing. Apparently the act of pouring “a slurry of vomit” on another fraternity member during initiation week is not hazing. Who cares what the technical term is? Nick Penzenstadler has written a very unbiased and factual article, too bad it threatens the reputation of Sigma phi epsilon. BY the way he is not just splashing anonymous sources into this article. If you want to be mad that this is the kind of news on the front page then go ahead, but the fact checking is sound.

Badger Herald - please print the follow-up to this (non)story once the investigation is finished. I am a SigEp alum who is familiar with this “tradition” of the newly activated pledges saying “thanks” to the seniors by dumping a bucket on their heads. Although gross and immature (what male college student, fraternity member or otherwise, isn’t either or these from time to time) this is not hazing, and I am confident that the IFC and UW will find that out. Thanks.

damn that’s a sexy house

The anon source is clearly in Delta Theta Sigma. They were drinking on their front porch most of the night and would have definitely seen it. I know you guys hate this shit, but tattling? Come on.

To be honest, I am greatly disappointed with the Badger Herald as of late. Although, I do appreciate many of their editorials which touch upon salient campus issues, there are far too many articles which condemn an issue based on flimsy if not any solid evidence at all. As for the way this article is written in particular, all it reminds me of is some page six gossip article that you can find at your local grocery store line. Although I will not personally offend this writer, I will say he should not follow this road again, if he wants to have a respectable journalistic career.

“As a non-greek member and student in the school of journalism I am extremely distressed by the biased tone in this article. It is not the job of the writer to judge the situation or to skew quotes given by sources.”

As a reader of the comments and a student, I am extremely distressed by the biased tone in this comment. How do you know the writer skewed quotes given by sources? For all you know, the quotes are 100% accurate.

maybe it wasn’t hazing… but you still dumped poop and vomit on each other. that’s just weird. When will Sig Ep be filming “2 Frat Guys 1 Cup”?

“Said event was NOT part for the purpose of initiation.”

Do you honestly believe that? It was on the night of initiation!

Why does it matter who was pouring shit on who? It is disgusting either way? Oh, and why would ZBT be the tattlers? They are going after totally different demographics (small jewish house v. largest christian one).

I would say Sigma Chi (close by, large, Christian), Delta Upsilon (further away, but also large and mostly Christian), Kappa Sigma (also very large and mostly Christian), Alpha Gamma Rho (close by, mostly Christian, and they seem to have made it their personal mission to end hazing, drinking, and everything else in the Greek System) or Tau Kappa Epsilon (very small fraternity, big chapter house, close by, desperate for members, maybe looking for crumbs off of Sigep)

As a UW alumni and frat member I can tell you that 95% of the frats on campus haze. Most of them have a hell week. That’s just the way it is.

Just another thing to make fraternities look bad on campus…nice job SigEp!

They definitely held a Hell Week. Look at the comments on some of the guys facebook walls.

From Brady Sullivan’s Wall: Erik Larson wrote at 7:34pm on May 4th, 2008 Im gonna need a play by play of your arrest lol. And did u even make it to the activation party? lol

From Bryan Lemke’s Wall: Paige Helling wrote at 9:02pm on April 29th, 2008 I hope you dont die this week…. or this weekend for that matter. best of luck at the house

From Alec Corsten’s Wall: Arthur Overbee (Benilde - St. Margarets) wrote at 4:37pm on April 29th, 2008 Alec…ARE YOU OK??

From Kyle Stang’s Wall: Rachel Clark wrote at 1:20pm on May 1st, 2008 ohh hey thats okay dont worry about it sounds lik you had a pretty intense week with your house arrest lol..what is the point of that, is that supposed to be fun or something?

Meghan Marostica wrote at 1:15pm on May 1st, 2008 i miss seeing you

Kelly Southworth wrote at 5:02pm on April 30th, 2008 come home!! 5A misses you : (

Dan Ruhland wrote at 10:23pm on April 27th, 2008

you will be gone for a week

Sigep doesn’t haze…BS!

If Justice Scalia can claim torture isn’t punishment, then a fraternity can claim that hazing isn’t hazing. George Orwell was quite the prophet.

Who’s to say the person reporting this is Greek. If it’s out in the open like this, it could have been anyone passing by who was just disgusted by what they saw.

regardless of whether it was seniors to freshman or freshman to seniors, how does that make a difference whether or not it was hazing? i have a few good friends in sig ep and happen to know that they are very good when it comes to following rules against hazing and that, apparently, this tradition truly is the only act they commit that would be considered hazing, so it sucks that they happened to get caught in their one act but that doesn’t change the fact that it is hazing

And another long list of reasons to not purchase your friends…

My favorite part of this article is the fact that the anonymous source is the one reporting what was is the bucket. I didn’t realize they had a part in putting it together. I was walking down Langdon that night and I smelled what I guess were the bucket contents lying on the street. Frankly, it smelled like maple syrup.

“We have a very proud system that makes them feel like they are not being hazed.”

Oh, okay so by making them feel they are not getting hazed takes awway from the fact that they are actually getting hazed. So was it the alcohol or the drugs that got them to feel “not hazed.” You call youself’s a group of men, well then men up to what you did and deal with it.

i heard the anonymous source was a girl…so it wasn’t a member of a frat

what’s with this guy who for one doesn’t know anything about SigEp and it’s practices, and two is a creepy facebook stalker using inconclusive wall posts for his argument? pledges live in the house for a week, to bond with each other and other members. during this time there is NO drinking in the house. my activation week was one of the best weeks of my life, i made memories i will never forget. it is a gift to the pledges, it is FOR them. are people really this desperate to bring down others? it sad, get a hobby and quit this gossip crap

The Badger Herald is ridiculously biased toward fraternities. You guys blow.

Sigep a christian house?! Most of the Sigep’s I know are Jewish…i’d go as far to say that roughly 1/3 of it is jewish. This clearly isn’t a situation where a big house (DU, Sig Chi, Kappa Sig, AE Pi) is trying to defame another big house… and when was the last time religion played a role in a frat fight, that’s just silly. Possibly a small house though…

This is terrible journalism, sensationalism at its worst. who edits this garbage?

Some people are pussies and love to rat people out … let sig ep do what ever they want to whoever they want in their own confines. Just because one guy thinks its all high and mighty of him to rat out sig ep if messed up.

Jeff Benson is a pussy and our IFC is a concentration camp

the article says it was a member of a frat, but like a person said before, it is probably someone who belongs to a house that competes with sig ep. it makes more sense for it to be someone from a house that draws from the same rush class, i.e. christian guys, than from someone who has no interest in their activities due to little common ground, i.e. zbt. either way, the discussion should focus on the fact that hazing did occur, and that sig ep did violate hazing rules. the discussion should not focus on who reported it. plus it was only a matter of time before the hazing was found out, due to the fact that they are doing it in the open.

“it sucks that they happened to get caught in their one act”

They did it in the middle of frickin Langdon Street! What do you expect?!

To the person that listed the facebook quotes as proof: That was awesome!

Sounds like sophmore Patrick Kurkiewicz just admitted that hazing goes on at Sig Ep. btw: i’m a wisconsin sig ep alum. Its false to claim that this is a tradition.

• Mesba

In other news, SigEp took home the Softball Championship last night. Put that on the front page of the Herald.

Ok the whole facebook quote comment rediculous, none of those posts blatantly pointed to a hell week. For Brady Sullivan’s wall, who knows why he was arrested. As for people writing on Lemke and Corsten’s walls, of course people are going to write things like that. Years ago when I was pledging a fraternity people were always interested in hearing crazy stories about hazing because they’ve heard stories about past fraternities. As for the the other posts about “We miss you” or “Come home,” it is standard for fraternities across the country for pledges to live in their fraternity house the week of their activation. I don’t know about Sig Ep, but universally students are allowed to leave the house for class without question, so that definately would not constitute hazing. I’m not saying that hazing never occured during their initiation week, but claiming that Sig Ep “definately held a Hell Week” and using the quotes you proivided as evidence is just bad journalism.

funny how the only people that are complaining about this are people that arent in the greek system. Getting a fucking life and stop snooping into others people’s business. If this was a problem, then someone in sigep would let others know.

“either way, the discussion should focus on the fact that hazing did occur, and that sig ep did violate hazing rules. the discussion should not focus on who reported it.”

Things the person who reported it would say..

I would personally love the chance to stand on top of SigEp and piss all over its members! Maybe UW should start a new tradition where all the non-greek members initiate the new greek members….

“the discussion should focus on the fact that hazing did occur”

Did this peasent even look at the definition of hazing? Hazing is constituted as any action or situation that intentionally threatens the mental or physical health of a student, for the purpose of initiation to the organization…”

The purpose of the act was not done to members for the purpose of their initiation. It is done to active/senior members of the house that serve as the mentors to the pledges during the semester. As gross as it is, the senior members consented to the act. They were not forced into it by pledges…seriously people, get your facts straight.

*“We have a very proud system that makes them feel like they are not being hazed.â��

Oh, okay so by making them feel they are not getting hazed takes awway from the fact that they are actually getting hazed. So was it the alcohol or the drugs that got them to feel “not hazed.” You call youself’s a group of men, well then men up to what you did and deal with it.**

—-The drug/alocohol comment is pure rhetoric, and I am ashamed to even mention it in this comment, but the statement is compeltly void of veracity. Secondly, I strongly encourage everyone who makes such baseless claims to actually take a look at how the University defines hazing. Won’t hurt to learn something.

“I would personally love the chance to stand on top of SigEp and piss all over its members! Maybe UW should start a new tradition where all the non-greek members initiate the new greek members…. “

Apparently a member of the greek system raped this guys mother…way to frame an argument moron.

For those that are entirely against the Greek system/Fraternities, here are some eye-opening statistics … * 85% of Fortune 500 executives are Greek. * Of the 50 largest North American corporations; 43 are headed by fraternity men. * 76% of U.S. Congressmen and Senators belong to a fraternity. * All but two U.S. Presidents and two Vice Presidents since 1825 have been Greek. * 85% of the U.S. Supreme Court Justices since 1910 have been Greek. * A recent study shows that fraternity members have a 28% higher rate of graduation from college than do their non-member counterparts.

So they have to be doing something right!!!

i don’t understand why they would do this on Langdon. If they dump shit on each other in public, what goes on in the house?

This article sucks for the greek system. The writer saw a prime opportunity to yet again attack the greek system.

To the reporters: start looking for hazing outside of the Greek system… It is everywhere, that would be a good story.

To Greeks: Stop giving the reporters things to attack you with. Thank the members of sig ep for tainting your reputation more.

Sig Ep: If you have this great tradition that your seniors go through keep it a secret for two reasons: first it is a messed up tradition that you should not advertise, and second if you want it to be a bonding tradition, the whole campus should not know about it. Keep it within the walls of your house and in privacy. protect the tradition.

So some UW students did ridiculous (but legal) shit over the weekend. And?

How is this a story to anyone? How did it even get printed, let alone make the front page? I’m not a fan of the Greek System, but really…

honestly, i am fine with whatever baseless claims made by these granola greek hating commune freaks who were not offered bids. At the end of the day we are making more $$$ than them, are better looking than them, and sleep with their girlfriends….pony up losers!

Whatever journalism student posted the following unintelligible comment should study harder at the journalism school before accusing someone of not editing his or her work: “Not saying that what happened is in any way acceptable it does not constitute the negative light that is cast upon this student organization. Who edits this shit?” Nice writing you tool.

Jeff Benson is like Matlock, Sherlock Holmes, and all the guys from CSI rolled into one. The man’s a force! If he can’t get to the bottom of this, no one can.

“Why are we debating whether or not this is hazing. Apparently the act of pouring “a slurry of vomit” on another fraternity member during initiation week is not hazing. Who cares what the technical term is?

—It matters because a fraternity is being FALSELY accused and Journalisticly convicted of HAZING

Nick Penzenstadler has written a very unbiased and factual article, too bad it threatens the reputation of Sigma phi epsilon…the fact checking is sound.”

—Nice, an anonymous source is defending the comments of a reporter who used…another anonymous source. Story Checks out, o wait. No matter what is said here, those who hate the greek system will continue to do so and vice versa. However, that does not excuse trashcan “journalism” from being allowed into the general population.

TO ALL GREEKS: If for some reason the media contacts you refer them to SAM LAKE. He is the PR chair and it is his job to comment on these issues, not random people on the street. If for some reason you think that you are helping your house by talking to the news about another fraternity you are wrong. Notice that the title does not say SIG EP Hazes, it says university FRAT. That title includes all frats. To people not in the greek system the word SIG EP means FRAT and the word FRAT constitutes ALL GREAKS. Every greek member is under scrutiny, not SIG EP. The public doesn’t care which frat committed the offense, they care that the greek system does.

I would like the thank the idiot, allegedly a frat member, that narked out SIG EP to the media. You did not only hurt sig ep, you hurt yourself.

I would also like to thank SIG EP for being idiots and hazing in public. Way to go. You can’t be mad at someone for telling on you; this was your fault. You hurt the greek system and contributed to their bad name among campuses across america.

—The very fact that it was done in PUBLIC for ALL TO WITNESS shows that they did not consider it to be hazing. It is just college students being stupid kids and having fun…albeit in a very odd and repulsive way. But honestly, who in college…espesially at UW has never done something that is odd, creepy, random, hilarious etc? That is part of the allure of UW. People have fun in anyway they can. It is perfectly acceptable to be grossed out/confused by this, but it is important to note this is not something done to pledges. Furthermore, it was not something done to an innocent bystander with malicious intent.

All those statistics about all of the successful people who were in fraternities are bullshit. The only reason why those statistics are true is because basically everyone who was rich and white joined a fraternity and the majority of people who were successful throughout American history were rich and white. Nowadays, the Greek System is still mostly rich and white, with rich white people still tending to graduate at faster rates and be more successful. Those people didn’t become successful because they were in a fraternity, but they joined a fraternity and were succesful because they were rich and white.

who the fuck takes the time to look up people’s facebook walls? i mean really….its finals week focus on something more productive. and for everyone saying that its hazing, you have no idea what went on…if you did you would realize that it had nothing to do with hazing. the house is full of really great guys who don’t stand for that kind of crap. so cool of the badger herald to run a biased story. even cooler to the people who aren’t in the Greek system not to understand.

sig ep blows. that is all

“I would also like to thank SIG EP for being idiots and hazing in public.”

Tell me, what was done to pledges here that constituted hazing? I would love to hear the logic behind this.

hate, hate, hate…

To the kill whitie guy,

regardless of how, fact of the matter remains, fraternity men are MORE successful at life than NON fraternity men.

i suppose fraternity men are pretty good at paying lots of money to live in a frat house but i dont understand how that would make them more successful at life than non fraternity men

I believe this was your JTC update for the day.

POOP? Ha, you animals

I dont recall Nick Penzenstadler ever writing a story on the amazing things fraternities do for the community. Fraternities will always be singled out because it is easy. One act can tarnish an entire group of people, and people LOVE it when something goes wrong in the greek system. As a percentage of the campus as a whole, the greek system is no worse than the entire student body when it comes to indiscretions.

Successful? you’re lifestyle is so stupid and uncouth that you don’t even know what it means to be successful

Wow, so this witness was standing across the street in the darkness of night and could still see what was in the bucket. After reading that this witness lost all credibility. If this kid could tell what was in a bucket form across the street at night than props to him for having super powers. Also if people consent to any action it is not hazing and should not be a big deal. If you have ever seen Kimbo Slice on the internet he beat the shit out of people but they both consented to the fight and did not get in trouble. Therefor if everybody involved in this situation does not care than why should anybody care? This might be the worst article I have ever seen. I rather have read an article on the superhuman eye site of the witness. As a non greek member this is unfair. It is known that every frat does something, also the band hazes, as well as 90 percent of all student orgs. How did this guy get a job for the herald?

Lets keep things in perspective here. No one was arrested, no laws were broken, and no one was hurt. If you were to ask the members who had the bucket of whatever tossed on them, they would not care about it. Amazing how someone who had no affiliation with the fraternity is the one to cry foul here. If it were such a bad thing they would not do it in public for all to see.

As a SigEp alum, pouring the bucket of whatever on our brotherhood development chairs was one of the funniest memories I have from college. Many of them put on scooba gear and other helpless yet hilarious things in anticipation of the dousing. Also, this occured right in the middle of langdon street with people laughing at the spectacle. There is no secretive hazing going here….just stupid, gross, offensive to some yet harmful to nobody fun.

The person who reported them has to fall under the following categories:

Category 1: Competing house. This person is in a greek house that competes heavily with Sigep for members. Sigep is the largest fraternity here after all. That means they are large and going after WASPy types or Jews/other with little ties to their religion. Examples would include DU, Sigma Chi, Kappa Sig, and PIKE (maybe on PIKE).

Category 2: Wannabe competing house. This person is in a small or midsize house and they are hoping that with at least one of the houses in category 1 gone, the others won’t be able to absorb everyone and they might catch a few lucky breaks or eventually get rid of all category 1 houses. Eventually they hope to move to Category 1. That means that while small, they are also going after the WASPy types or Jews/other with little ties to their religion , but their guys aren’t as “cool”. Examples include Theta Delta Chi, DTD, TKE, and DTS.

Category 3: Police frat. This person is in a house that believes the Greek System and/or the university and/or the police aren’t doing enough to crack down on hazing, partying, drinking, drugs, dry rush violations, etc. They have decided that since the powers that be aren’t doing enough, they are going to take it into their own hands. Examples include Alpha Gamma Rho.

Category 4: A non greek. This person is just a Langdon Street resident/visitor who saw this shit happening and reported it.

Category 5: A disgruntled former greek. This person used to be in the greek system, but left under poor circumstances. They have been waiting for an opportunity to smear the Greeks and upon hearing and/or seeing this, they jumped on the chance to tell the whole world.

Personally, I think it is category 1, with possibility of Category 4. Either way, though Sigep is getting screwed.

Anon 2:59- Consent doesn’t matter for the question of whether or not it is hazing. Nearly every single act of hazing on this campus, the pledges consent to it because they want to join the organization badly enough.

And some people like cucumbers better than pickles

“Successful? you’re lifestyle is so stupid and uncouth that you don’t even know what it means to be successful”

Successful:having succeeded or being marked by a favorable outcome; “a successful architect”; “a successful business venture”

-Nope, pretty sure we have that taken care of. One can be successful and uncouth. Uncouthness is neither necessary nor sufficent to deem one unsuccessful.

Checkmate.

To 2:07pm -

*100% of those Fortune 500 Execs. have to pay for sex and/or bought their wives - a practice probably learned within their respective Frats.

*100% of US Congressmen and Senators are full of shit and pay for sex…

*100% of the Supreme Court Justices were born without personalities and are still virgins albeit having made several offers to pay for sex…

*A recent study proves that 100% of that 28% of Greeks having a higher graduation rate were ‘grandfathered’ into this University and drive around in Daddy’s car with Daddy’s credit card… School must be easier without having to work, leaving time to pour said ‘buckets’ on said ‘frat brothers’, sleep with sorostitutes, and pop collars.

I agree that this editorial is terrible, just as bad as the buckets described within it, but the fact remains that Sig Ep is a notoriously disgusting frat that ought to be sponsored by Summers Eve because of all the d-bags that belong to it…

PS: Mike Miesen sounds like a complete idiot in this editorial, if those are in fact direct quotes from him… Your eloquence is mind-numbing…

Sorry Geeks, I mean Greeks. Defending this incident as non-hazing and “part of the college experience” is lame. Hazing or not, pouring shit on someone is stupid. It confirms that worst impressions of non-geeks, that you are a bunch of crowd following morons, that will endure anything to gain acceptance. Oh and you idiots that are pissed that someone squealed on these lame douchebags, you would make great NAZIs. There is right and wrong, and pouring shit on someone is wrong. The fact that they agreed to let you shit on them is sad and pathetic.

and you are 100% a virgin who is going to try and pay for sex too

The article failed to mention and hopefully the anonymous source can shed light on this issue in a follow-up article…but were the pledges collars popped when said shit dumping occurred??

As a greek and a j-student, let me say I do have a basic problem with this story because it doesn’t confirm what was in the bucket. But I have talked to a number of people in SigEp as well as people that were standing on Langdon watching it, and they confirmed that these were buckets of shit.

By the way, my fraternity does not haze. And most that do don’t do things as disgusting as this.

To Anon 3:14

So you’re anti-greek AND now apparently anti-American … well WHO/WHAT do you support then? Anarchy and Terrorism?

To 3:09pm,

are you reading the comments here? Pledges were not the recipients of the act, and therefore it is not hazing. When members sign up to be brotherhood development chairs, they know what they are getting into. They were not forced to volunteer, and if you ask those who had the bucket poured on them I assure you they do not care.

I am in SIg Ep and I am comfirming that they were not buckets of shit

Whoever said frat guys are more successful is a complete idiot. Take a look at all the average GPA’s of the fraternity houses. I believe Sigep has one of the lowest GPA’s in the Greek system. I personally know two people who are in Sigep and getting 2.0’s. I don’t know how a 2.0 makes you more successful. The only reason they are more successful is because of “Daddy’s money” not on their own accord

I have been laughing my ass off all day because of this article.

dr. seuss was a sigep…enough said

clearly the bucket was filled with green eggs and ham

First off, lets stop the greek/non greek war, considering nobody outside the greek system has any personal experience to back up these random accusations and insults.

Second, I am assuming another fraternity posted the comment about GPA. Get your facts straight? The greek system as a whole has a higher GPA than the campus average, and Sig Ep is ranked 9th out of 30 campus fraternities, and they have had even higher ranks in the past.

Also, check out the Daily Cardinal article on the situation. Considering the authorities don’t think that Sig Ep did anything wrong and the “anonymous source” was probably drunk considering it was late Friday night, why don’t we stop these ridiculous debate?

Anonymous (May 7, 2008 @ 3:36pm),

Please post your source on that…the whole “i know a guy” method of argumentation has no merit.

Considering the fact that you have to maintain a bare minumum 2.5 to even stay in the house that is not true. check your facts son.

Sig Ep did not haze. THIS is hazing: http://lettersinbottles.blogspot.com/2008/05/fraternity-hazing-arrests-today-at.html

Being a SigEp Alum here (and graduating law school this week), I can tell you that plenty of SigEps have higher than a 2.0 (see above post of guy who has no clue)

As for the bucket…i don’t know how anyone can possibly call it hazing when the pledges are throwing a bucket of nasty on to the most senior and respected members of the house. Pretty sure that is the antithesis of hazing.

As for the person that “saw” what was going on. I read the formal complaint that they filed. It was the most sensational firsthand account of any story I have ever read. If anyone wants a copy, feel free to ask. The person literally used every descriptive adjective they could. I felt like I was in a war zone. That person should be expelled from school for being a sensationalist idiot.

—From the Daily Cardinal, which was EXPONENTIALLY more accurate in their reporting of the story:

“Sig Ep president Mike Mielsen said the complaint, which alleges the fraternity was practicing hazing-like behavior at their house at 237 Langdon St., was inaccurate.

“I met with Kevin Helmkamp and two other associate deans, and they spoke to many members of our house on Monday night and came to the very clear conclusion that we did not haze,” he said.”

“Whoever said frat guys are more successful is a complete idiot. Take a look at all the average GPA’s of the fraternity houses. I believe Sigep has one of the lowest GPA’s in the Greek system. I personally know two people who are in Sigep and getting 2.0’s. I don’t know how a 2.0 makes you more successful. The only reason they are more successful is because of “Daddy’s money” not on their own accord”

sorry, overall greek gpa is higher than campus gpa…sigep’s included. Again, check your facts.

whoever did the facebook stalking..please..GET A LIFE.

””“honestly, i am fine with whatever baseless claims made by these granola greek hating commune freaks who were not offered bids. At the end of the day we are making more $$$ than them, are better looking than them, and sleep with their girlfriends….pony up losers!”“”

1. You’re seriously calling NON-GREEKS “commune freaks?” Do you have any idea of the irony and stupidity in your statement. Look up commune, dumbshit.

2. You are not making money, your parents are. They are making good money mostly due to the fact that they likely worked hard, and weren’t banking on their parent’s credit cards for their every need. If you think one becomes successful by living the lifestyle that you clearly live, get a fucking clue. YOU ARE NOT YOUR PARENTS, you’re a soon to be has-been with herpes.

3. You all look/act/are the same. The girls you get with are no different. If you can name one girl you’ve slept with that hasn’t also slept with at least one of your friends, you’d be an anomaly.

4. To the “Greeks are more successful” statement. Do you have any idea of the history of the Greek system? Do you think those CEOs/Presidents/etc. were writing about how they were banking on their frat and daddy for success? NO!!! You fucking loser.

5. This article is stupid. Who cares?

-From Boston With Love

All the retarded posts by greek-bashing students speak for themselves. Try using an ounce of logic in your arguments.

Nick shouldn’t be able to write another article in his life. Probably the poorest example of journalism ever. The Badger Herald’s editor should be fired for letting this ridiculous story go to press.

Nick Penzenstadler: please visit this site and read this article. Then choose a new profession.

http://www.dailycardinal.com/article/3034

Now that is fair, responsible journalism.

Dear SigEp, I need a life. If I let you dump shit on me, can we be friends? Sounds like I’m only one golden shower away from being successful for the rest of my life!

To Anonymous (May 7, 2008 @ 4:32pm)

You essentially say that Greeks are only successful because of their parents, at the same time you imply that their parents are rich and that their children will end up as “soon to be has-been(s) with herpes”

So, accordign to you: -If Greek—>Successful by default of parental wealth -If parents are wealthy and one joins the Greek system—>inherently bound to become a loser.

Your argument is so devoid of intellectual aptitude that it is giving me a headache.

who cares about this, sig ep lets any kid who breaths into their house anyway, better off if they get kicked off campus

The Greek community has represented itself well here. In order to avoid what has become Greek blame-shifting and name calling I would recommend doing what has gotten them by so far, pay someone to write your arguments for you.

And, to save you more name calling, no I am not anti-Greek out of jealousy but out of experience. I have seen the superiority complexes that are carried down Langdon St. and am glad that I was able to find my own friends to go through college with rather than pay to put up with that.

To Anonymous (May 7, 2008 @ 5:13pm)

Nowhere did I say that Greeks like you are successful. I implied just the opposite.

My statements were clear. Go back to being an “intellectual,” big boy.

the haters can criticize and name call all they want, it really does not matter one bit because no hazing or illegal activities occured here. So despite all the rable rousing and finger pointing, SigEp will not face any penalties. as this is a non issue. Anonymous (May 7, 2008 @ 5:23pm)is a moron. Ancedotal evidence is the simpletons method of argumentation, but this appears to be all he has going for him. The “buy my friends” argument is obsolete. While you are hitting these insults at the height of their popularity, you may as well throw some of your Police Academy zingers in to the mix. Plenty of new material for you there.

Checkmate bitch

Anonymous (May 7, 2008 @ 5:50pm,

the fact that you could not even interpet your own argument-as evidenced by your response- speaks volumes about you and your miserable existence.

*Interpret

I really wish they would have been busted for drugs like San Diego State did…now that is a front page story. And I’m sick of Madison being so dry…

The postings show a typical trend…People will use whatever gossip/speculation they can muster up as an excuse to bash the Greek System. Most of the posts are of general stereotypes about the Greek system. People who choose to be ignorant will continue to do so and there is nothing that anyone can write here that will change their sad feeble little minds.

I know for a fact that the former President of Alpha Gamma Rho was the anonymous complainant to ODOS.

It’s interesting to see the number of comments on this story, or perhaps pathetic. Note a recent article also by Penzenstadler at

http://badgerherald.com/news/2008/04/17/mccaindriveseconom.phpabout the upcoming presidential election,

and the lack of comments and response to this, two to be exact. And how many comments on this article about such a disgusting and silly event?

Now, call me crazy, but maybe everyone should be more concerned with the election, the economy, and where you will all find jobs once you’re done with your silly bucket dumping, bickering about the Greek vs. non-Greek life, or whether or not the story was well written, and of course your education.

But, what do I know, I’m just a parent paying thousands of dollars in tuition, books, housing, etc. Glad to see how well the money is being spent.

Get real.

Why is it hazing? Well if it is “for the purpose of….affiliation”, which remaining affiliated and being a member of SigEp would be, then it doesn’t matter that it is older brothers. It is still hazing.

Great job Nick, your article has done a great job of strengthening the divide that clearly exists on this campus. Without adequate evidence, you have written a slanderous article that does nothing besides hurt people.

This message board makes me sick. Whats the point of attacking someone else because they decided to join a particular social organization? Its obvious to me that this report has nothing to do with hazing. There are many organizations on this campus that students can be a part of, and just because someone joins one, it does not mean that they all fall under one particular stereotype. Most students in fraternities don’t pop their collar, and many don’t have their ‘daddys’ pay for everything. Obviously people who don’t join a fraternity are still successful. Everyone should just stop fueling this fire and treat everyone with respect…besides, we are all students and the University of Wisconsin.

The members that take the bucket are also the ones that tell the new guys to make it. This is the furthest that you can get from hazing.

I am the person who complained to ODOS and I’m not even Greek you guys. I know what I saw and I was disgusted by it. It appeared to be hazing, so I reported it. ODOS is investigating it and it is out of my hands now, but reporting it was the right thing to do.

Jeff Benson(Pizza) is not going to “bring the pain”. He loves pizza too much. Let me tell you a story about Jeff Benson. My freshman year, he polished off an entire, 20” Ian’s Mac and Cheese Pizza by himself in under 45 minutes. Thus, the name Jeff Benson(Pizza). SigEp is just going to offer him a slice or 8, he will eat it and just go on his merry, bumbling way.

I am in SigEp and I personally took a big dump in one of the buckets that was used. This is also one of the least disgusting least cruel hazing that happens at the house

Haha Hilarious. Yeah, the members also light themselves on fire and shoot lightning from their butts as they fly above the city. It’s pretty cool they do it every thursday.

HE CALLED THE SHIT POOP!!!

SigEp reminds me of nazi germany

Bunch of idiots … everyone knows to do it in the BACK yard so no one sees!

…cept the hippy neighbor living behind the house who begs you to stop

I think this anonymous witness puked on himself and crapped his pants and just needed someone to blame it on……..

“I am in SigEp and I personally took a big dump in one of the buckets that was used. This is also one of the least disgusting least cruel hazing that happens at the house”

yeah, sure you are

You are obviously lying about putting your feces in the bucket because there was only one bucket thrown according to the article and eyewitness. Why would you go out of your way to hurt an organization on campus. The first time I saw this fraternity in the newspaper was for donating over 10,000 dollars to the children’s hospital of madison. These shit loving fraternity monsters are at least doing more than a lot of the other clubs on campus. If you do not like people who partake in greek life, that is fine, you do not have to dig for reasons other people to not like them. Live you own life, make your own decisions and LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE

tisk tisk…

Balanced Man Program may be in your future.

Anyone in the Greek system knows that Sig Ep doesn’t haze. They anti-haze as we see from this event.

The RM Chair for my sorority is actually the one who tattled on them to ODOS. Also, Delta Gamma sucks!

You can’t possibly believe anything written here about which fraternity tattled to who about what. You clearly have either wild speculation or other fraternities trying to screw the ones they compete with by giving them a bad name and giving SigEp a reason to strike back at them. For instance:

SigChi is probably the accuser of DU and vice versa. Maybe throw KappaSig in that mix.

AGR is being accused of being the accuser because they have tried to rid the system of this stuff, have gotten a lot of fraternities in trouble and made a lot of enemies.

ZBT is probably being accused by AEPi because they compete on rush and I wouldn’t be surprised if AEPi was soon being accused of tattling by someone in ZBT.

PIKE is probably being accused by TKE, DTD, and DTS who would probably get more guys if PIKE didn’t exist. DTS is probably being accused by the same crowd above.

The point is that half the fraternities are being accused of tattling to the Herald and ODOS with all of these accusations being very politically based. Don’t you understand that ODOS and the Herald are not going to reveal who spoke with them and thus every single one of the accusations on this comment section is wild speculation or political posturing to slander a rival and use SigEp to get back at them.

The true hazing here is that the Sororistutes of SDT put STDs in the buckets.

The Ungarrrr, destroyer of worlds was actually what came out of the bucket.

poop

hazing or not, it’s still f@cking disgusting

The President of AGR was just on NBC 15 news talking about the incident, what happened, and how disgusting it is. That settles it, AGR was the tattler.

Oh by the way…I’m in sigep and I’d like to thank all the bums in front of triangle market for the brown chunks previously identified as fecal matter…The badger herald needs a quote from…MC hepatitis C

Any organization on this campus any of the greek organizations (not just the ones on landgon), sports teams, clubs, other organizations and friends all do shit like this so stop try to slander the name of greeks on campus when we do a hell of a lot more then most of the other students on this campus.

Whoever wrote this biased piece of shit (I don’t care enough to look up the name of the “writer”) is probably just jealous that he either did not receive a bid to sigep, or just sucks in general. Why are you choosing to single out sigep’s “hazing” event when I know for a fact many other fraternities on campus partake in FAR worse hazing activities. Next time, you may want to check up on your facts before you attack an innocent fraternity without attacking every other fraternity. Even the frats that “don’t haze” do. Oh, and good luck getting a job after this. If you’re lucky MAYBE page six will hire you, considering the only thing you know how to do is create baseless rumors.

Frat boys, stop your dumb complaining.

The whole article is flooded with quotes about how it wasn’t hazing. You guys defended yourself enough and your side of the story was very apparent.

Also, Nick has written numerous stories about how frats have pledged to help the community. He is not bias. You guys are.

Just a thought - throwing buckets of feces and urine and vomit isn’t likely to get you good press.

“The true hazing here is that the Sororistutes of SDT put STDs in the buckets.”

I’m glad you were able to take a break from looking at internet porn in your mom’s basement to come up with that cute statement.

anthony colon is a hottie!! POOP

Anonymous (May 7, 2008 @ 5:50pm,

the fact that you could not even interpet your own argument-as evidenced by your response- speaks volumes about you and your miserable existence

[Pretty sure their argument was against the quote about how frat boys are better, smarter, more successful than everyone else. Also pretty sure that they were spot on in most of their points. If frat boys want respect it’s time they gave some. Otherwise you’re just a joke to those outside your little circle.]

Anonymous @ 6:03 retorted so good! He said “checkmate bitch.” It was, like, awesome! He clearly told me he won. I mean, all I had was anecdotal evidence of superiority complexes and friend purchases. He mixed chess lingo and obscenity. I didn’t stand a chance. I am just the feces in his bucket. If only I was in his frat…

biggest hazer on campus? aepi. hands down. BH has reported it numerous times.

This is not hazing. Whenever the organization’s initiated members agree to undergo the same expereince, hazing is ruled out.

As a matter of fact, at the beginning of last week, (Sig Ep’s Activation Week), before this incident, I had a discussion about hazing with one of the leaders in the fraternity who is also my best friend. He assured me that they do not haze in anyway and his experience as a pledge in activation week last year was one of the best weeks of his life. If these boys can form lifelong friendships and bond while showering in feces and vomit, then let them do it.

SDT = LAME! they need to go the f**k away! go theta!

To the older and wiser anonymous Parent(May 7, 2008 @ 6:28pm):

Do you contradict yourself? Very well then, you contradict yourself. Because didn’t “you” just post a comment about “us” making comments on such a “disgusting and silly event”? My father reads and writes in to the Wall Street Journal, the Times, Chicago Tribune, and the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and I tried - having had a full time job and having been a full time student makes it harder - to do the same. I’d like to know if your son/daughter is involved in a sorority or fraternity because those students are the ones making the majority of these comments. Maybe you should communicate (How’s school going?) with your child instead of living in the past reading your alma mater’s newspaper attempting to check upon your investment. I’m sorry you feel you’re throwing your money away, but don’t take your disgust with your child’s direction in school out on several students trying to enjoy some fickle entertainment during the rigors of exams (remember those?) by commenting upon the idiocy that is “Greek Life”. Maybe you should pick up a newspaper where the journalists already have their degrees and their editors already have their degrees and years of experience instead of degrading your child’s generation with sweeping generalizations made from reading a student-run newspaper. We students have the rest of lives, like you once did, to be overly concerned with the election (Go Obama!!), the failing economy (which is in the fourth inning of a nine inning game), and our future professions (I’ll see what happens during Medical School). What DO you know? I think you’d know a lot more if you spent your time, and perhaps your money (since your child seems to be such a lousy investment) reading something else.

Just being real.

to Anonymous (May 7, 2008 @ 6:28pm), Get over yourself…These articles are more interesting than the economic/political ones. You can EASILY survive, have a great life without giving a F about any politics/economics. You realize the point of media is entertainment.

Well…. that piss, poop, & puke slurry is sure better than the used hooker douche water I got showered with back in 1968!

I really don’t get why it is anyones business what they do. None of them have a problem with it. It’s pretty messed up, but there is a lot weirder/worse shit out there than this. I just love how whistle blowers get this blown up to this level. Gotta love liberal, biased school newspapers though.
Bottom line, I’m a sigep alumn from Minnesota and I really dont care too much. But can anyone say they havent seen or heard of worse? Just let it go. None of them have a problem with it so others shouldnt care.

Don’t feed the trolls.

I’ve got it! I know who the source is. I started thinking about who would gain the most from this - then it hit me; Oliver Delgado! This scandal has taken his name off the front page (and comment boards.) I know it might sound crazy, but we’re through the looking-glass here, people.

When I was in grad school at UW, there was a classmate of mine who would try to rub betris on his colleagues. It was a form of hazing, and none of us approved.

Anonymous snitch, As a UW Greek (no association to Sig Ep) member I am disgusted that you alerted the media and didn’t issue a personal complaint and try to keep this within our Greek community and let the facts come out. You have ruined any chance of Sig Ep leaders defending there fraternity in an unbiased light. And by the way if you think there is a single fraternity on this campus who hasn’t had a single event that could be construed as hazing within this year…well then I think you might be slightly more delusional. I don’t understand were you get off thinking that you are providing some sort of public service or whatever your ill aimed intention was. If I had to guess your a part of some fraternity across the street who doesn’t have a damn thing better to do then watch Sig Ep and hope they mess up. I don’t know what your personal beef is but you are pathetic. And way to go on the anonymity pal what a weak play on your part. I know this comment is posted as anonymous but that is mostly because I don’t feel like getting emails from a website that will post such a grade “A” biased piece sof shit they articles. Have a great career at UW with your unobstructed view as you watch a real fraternity do more good for this campus then your worthless house could even imagine.

All the best

Wow, the frat boys on this campus are whiny little bitches. It’s no surprise that you have to buy your friendships.

COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE. THEY COULD HAVE THROWN COPIES OF THE SCHOOL PAPER OR THIS ARTICLE ON EACH OTHER! YESSSS…..

from a fratdaddy to the other men fratting hard and keeping the fratmosphere at high levels:

frat! frat! frat! frat! frat! frat! frat! frat! frat! frat!

LMAO THIS IS THE BEST SHIT EVER FRAT DOUCHEBAGS DIPPED IN VOMIT! SCORE!

I love to be hazed, and to haze. It is fun on both sides and everyone should be lucky enough to experience respect being earned, rather than just assuming it is there. As for buying friends, we all pool money together to have a common house and fun. It is no different than rooming with a friend except there is tradition.

Breaking News: The Snitch is a disgruntled new member educator from SIGMA PHI EPSILON!!

Drudge Report! “Horror Hazing.” HAHAHAHA.

Drudge report gets over 20 million hits a day

Frats always say, “We’ll were not like that, we ‘uphold excellence,” or some BS like that. Cut the crap. We all know the premise of a fraternity. For all the “good” they do on campus, that goodwill is squandered by frat boy behavior, and that’s how it will always be. Ex: holding a blatantly racist “slave auction” at a pimps/hoes party to raise money for some random cause. Of course the standard rebuttal is “You’re just mad ‘cause you didn’t get in.” Trust me, anyone who wants to can join a frat. Everyone remembers those creepy get-to-know-you sessions at BW3’s, conducted by recruiters in the dorms.

Guess a burnt house is the product of pouring feces on someone. I’d burn your house, if you poured shit on me…

I just love stories about grey poopon somebody’s head……Johnny Be Good

Chuck Berry

you are all delusional. there is absolutely NO way seniors would let pledges dump shit on them - they just wouldn’t show up. nice cover-up, but hazing still rocks and is necessary to bring a group of boner freshmen together.

Sig Eps were always bone-puffers anyhow

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