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by Pedro Oliveira Jr. and Mary Duke
Tuesday, October 23, 2007
Conservative author David Horowitz attacked Muslim extremism and anti-Iraq war movements, calling liberals “unable to add two and two and get four” Monday.
Horowitz, who has been called racist by numerous University of Wisconsin student organizations, is the founder of the Students for Academic Freedom. He visited UW as part of a campaign to kick off “Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week.”
“I figured the cold weather was coming, so I figured I’d warm things up,” Horowitz said.
“I’m afraid I am going to disappoint you; this evening is not about prejudice against Muslims.”
The lecturer compared the war in Iraq to the Vietnam War and said bringing American troops home would cause further loss of lives in the Middle East.
“The overthrow of Saddam Hussein was a good thing, and the United States cannot afford to pull out,” he said.
Horowitz criticized liberal opposition to the war in Iraq, and said had U.S. troops not invaded the Middle East, thousands of Jews in Israel would be killed as a result of religious extremism.
“If Arabs in the Middle East disarm, there will be peace. If Jews in the Middle East disarm, there will be genocide,” he added.
The lecturer also addressed oppressive acts of religious extremists against women in the Middle East.
“There are 130 million Muslim girls who have their genitals sliced off at puberty without anesthetics,” Horowitz said.
Former UW lecturer Kevin Barrett — who attracted national media attention to the university for promoting his belief that the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon were an inside military job — was in attendance and voiced opposition, disrupting Horowitz’s talk near the beginning of the lecture.
“[Horowitz] is a suspect in mass murder and high treason, and needs to be confronted to tell the truth and force him to defend his ridiculous racist views,” Barrett said in a later interview with The Badger Herald.
Barrett, who was booed by the crowd after he interrupted the speech, left the Memorial Union Theater shortly thereafter in the midst of a popular UW football tradition — the “asshole” chant.
Before the lecture, dozens of UW students protested Horowitz’s visit, wearing green shirts to encourage unity amidst their cause and chanting “Racist, fascist, anti-gay, right-wing bigot go away.”
Among organizations represented at the event were the Muslim Students’ Association, College Democrats, Black Student Union, MultiCultural Student Coalition, International Socialist Organization and the Campus Antiwar Network.
College Democrats Chair Oliver Kiefer said protesters intended to change the tone of the Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, and added though protesters may not agree with Horowitz’s ideas, they respect Horowitz’s right to freedom of speech.
“I’m excited to see everyone here — these organizations represent people from every part of the globe,” Kiefer said. “One thing scarier than [Horowitz] speaking is silencing people.”
CAN member Chris Dols said though Horowitz’s reasons for terrorist attacks in America are rooted in religion, “America is the aggressor occupying the Muslim world.”
The lecture was followed by a question-and-answer session in which many students presented their reactions to the speaker.
“I just find it hard to believe that someone could argue that the reason why we invaded Iraq was for purely humanitarian reasons, when there are so many other occasions that we had not acted upon,” UW senior Jael Jaffe said.
When it benefits the U.S. through the oil availability in the Middle East, Jaffe added, “we find a motivation to go and create an excuse to overthrow a regime.”
College Republicans Chair Sara Mikolajczak, whose group sponsored the event, said opposition was not as much as College Republicans were expecting — the organization was “actually expecting it to be a little more radical.”
“I don’t know what the reasoning for it not coming out in that manner was, but it did go very well and I think people heard a lot of things they wouldn’t have otherwise heard,” Mikolajczak said. “Hopefully it opens up for a better discussion and more discourse on campus.”
College Republicans Vice Chair Mattie Duppler agreed with Mikolajczak, saying there should be more talks at UW about the war in Iraq and Islam in the Middle East.
“I definitely appreciate all the people who came out tonight who came and listened to the presentation respectfully,” Duppler said.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 9:24am):
Was disturbs me the most is that David said that the left was allied with "the terrorists". What was even more disturbing was that he said that "th left" should be treated as war criminals. Is this what American politics are turning into in the future? Kill the dissenters? Sounds like fascism to me.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 9:27am):
You don't have to like Horowitz or agree with him, but everything he said about Islam is true. I'm interested in knowing what the liberals who booed him have to say about how Muslims treat women and girls and why they choose to ignore it.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 9:33am):
If you ignore everything that has been said about Horowitz, if you ignore evrything that has been attributed by others to Horowitz and you ignore the rhetoric about Horowitz then what he said in the lecture part was overwhelmingly appropriate.
I think that if he had exchanged the term 'arab' with 'european' and 'muslim' with 'christian' not only would the republicans have accepted his talk differntly but also the green shirts in the audience.
The reactions we saw in the auditorium most likely reflected people's personal bigotry. Most were unable to listen with an open mind and most played follow the leader throughout the lecture.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 9:35am):
"unable to add two and two and get four"
Well, if "us liberals" relied on people like you, O'Reilly and Limbaugh to do the math for us, we really wouldn't even have to try doing the math.
Heck, you could say 2+2=5 and 50% of America would think you have some profound insight.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 9:44am):
"Racist, fascist, anti-gay, right-wing bigot go away."
Whoa boy! Have any of these students ever studied what happens to gays in islam?
Didn't they catch what Ahmadenijad said about gays?
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 10:21am):
Right wingers: stop pretending you care about gay people. Doing so only makes you look like bigger morons than you already are.
Everyone knows that your goal is a Christian theocracy in America where gay people are persecuted.
Your stunt last fall proves it.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 10:30am):
Horowitz may have a bad rep, but liberals have sunk to a new low. I side with Israel. Let the Palestinians go somewhere else!
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 10:34am):
The fact of the matter is the far-left has decided the enemy of the government of America is my friend. Sorry to tell you guys this but if the Arab rooted terrorist ever decided to go after soft targets (aka malls, schools, etc...) like they have in Israel, England, India, Russia, Indonesia, Spain, etc... It won't matter to them that you are a full fledge I support UBL wearing idiot. Your still going to be a stupid American to them. So stop thinking that going renegade( look up the definition) is a cool thing to do. And stop this we think different we're better then you crap. Go to Seattle, NYC, and SF, your not all the unique. Your like a college version of the middle school Goths, we're all going to dress the same, hang out, do the same thing and clam we're all unique.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 10:38am):
College Republicans love to say, "well at least we're not executing the gays" just like their parents used to say "we'll at least we're not lynching the [not saying it].
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 10:59am):
You ever hear about all the people dying of AIDS in Africa? Or about all the people who die of starvation? The resources exist to save all these people. America hasn't stepped in to help them at all, because there is no profit in giving things away.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 12:35pm):
"Your stunt last fall proves it."
You mean that shithead who went into a residence hall and yelled "All fags must die"?
And you think that alone represents conservatives?!
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 12:41pm):
Horowitz makes this a humanitarian endeavor, yet who's taking a stance for the millions of refugees? who's taking a stance for the civilians we're killing without question or concern?
yes, i learned some things. the speech was much different from what i have originally imagined it to be, but when the man starts making personalized attacks on questioners, when he calls the political left ignorant, delluded, racist, etc, i'm going to giggle or make my opposition heard because if you met me (and didn't stereotype me) you'd know i'm very far from any of those statements.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 12:42pm):
You can't lump all people who agree with Horowitz in with the Christian-right, College Republicans, or whatever stereotype of conversatives you have. The fact of the matter is that none of the people posting comments here in opposition to Horowitz have challenged anything he's said; they've merely stereotyped Horowitz supporters as hateful extremists. That's not dialogue; that's certainly not debate--that's simple name-calling.
I am conservative, but I do not affiliate myself with the Republican party--many conservatives do not. I am conservative and yet many of the accusations that left-wingers throw around about conservatives don't fit apply to my beliefs.
Stop stereotyping conservatives and listen to what they say. Then argue against it if you like _based on what they actually said_, not just the rhetoric that someone told you they stand for.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 12:47pm):
why are people still generalizing about Muslims? they are not all the same as not all christians are fundamentalists and not all republicans are white racists. i'm christian and sat and watched Horowitz hurl insults as muslims asking him questions during his "speech to come to the defense of moderate muslims." True, there are bad things going on under leaders and groups who claim themselves "muslims" but tyrants and oppression and hate comes from all people. way to be hypocritical and call muslims out as people to be hateful towards. i'm sure i'll receive flack for this comment, but whoever says it should either be ballsy enough to not be anonymous in his or her hatred or think for a second how lucky they are that they are not marginalized in society based on their heritage.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 12:49pm):
"Racist, fascist, anti-gay, right-wing bigot go away."
I am curious--genuinely curious--as to why the left thinks that chanting and "shouting down" people with views opposite to theirs is (1) civil discourse, or even (2) marginally effective.
Who in their right mind is going to legitimately think they've "won an argument" just by drowning out the opposition with sheer volume?
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 1:14pm):
why aren't there any quotes or pictures from Muslims attending the event. I saw a lot of them there.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 1:14pm):
Overall a huge failure. Not only was there no dialog achieved, the student organizations present made a true mockery of themselves, acting like middle schoolers at a talent show, laughing at every opportunity in order to show their superiority.
And the people asking questions, or should I say ranting to an open mic, thanks for wasting my time, and the time of everyone who actually had a question.
I for one am ashamed to count myself among the 'liberals' present at this event.
I'm sorry but,
Horwitz 1, Students 0.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 1:17pm):
When Ahmadenjad made his comments about the Holocaust, the Grand Ayatollah of Iran made the statement that if one Jew died, it was one too many. This is the man who holds actual power in Iran. The problem with Horowitz is his inaccurate framing of the topic. The idea that these things are occuring in Muslim majority countries, by Muslims, and so it therefore is part of a wave of Islamic radicalism. Yes, radicalism is an issue. But it was the sheykhs in Pakistan that exposed certain tribunal councils decisions to institute rape as a punishment. Sadaam Hussein was a devoted secularist. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the hundreds of different organizations that exist across the middle east are not one in the same in terms of ideology. Hamas is not Al qaeda. The goals are different, the arena is different, the professed ideology is different. It does the effort in addressing the various problems in the region a disservice when the subject is treated in such disingenious and simplistic methodology.
Steve Slapps (October 23, 2007 @ 1:43pm):
People need to stop being so mean to Mr. Barrett. He's a really nice person.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 1:46pm):
It's interesting to watch Republican pundits and Islamic groups attack each other for intolerance of the LGBTQ community.
That aside, the left here on campus needs to exercise a little restraint in the knee-jerk reactions that certain elements have to any group or event with a hint of political incorrectness. I've seen editorial after editorial lambasting (the admittedly distasteful) Horowitz for lumping all Muslims in a single group, when every publication promoting IFAW has emphasized that the "Islamo-Fascism" they refer to includes only extremists and fundamentalists. Anyone who denies that radical Islam (not mainstream Islam, mind you) is prone to violence against the West and its trappings is deluding themselves.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 1:58pm):
I'm confused as to how anyone could have witnessed Horowitz last night (in all his glory) and not come away with it being blatantly clear that he is a racist. I am the only one who heard his comment about segregated airports during question and answer?
Perhaps he had composure during his speech, but when people actually started to ask him specific questions or call him on things he responded with things like, "You can't read," or "You couldn't put two and two together to get four" (which the Badger Herald quoted horribly out of context, btw). Who are the college republicans kidding with this guy? He became less credible and coherent with every question asked, and I don't think he once gave a straight answer. Frankly, we should be embarrassed to have him on our campus. Also, I'd really like to hear his stance on gay marriage and abortion, as being conservative he is more than likely against them, which I find ironic since he seems to be oh so concerned about feminism and gay rights in the middle east..
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 2:36pm):
It was a great event that put a conservative voice out there on the issue that is not frequently publicly represented on this campus. I must sincerely thank the College Republicans for bringing Mr. Horowitz to campus this week and Mr. Horowitz for wanting to come.
It does not stop here, however. This week, there are more great events on this topic-taking place. The Muslim Student Association (MSA) is putting on some fantastic events that represent a different perspective from Mr. Horowitz's speech last night. Also, the College Republicans are having another event tonight. I suggest you all try to attend at least some of these if you have time:
Muslim Student Association's Peace, not Prejudice week of events
Today Tuesday 10/23 - Location TITU - 7pm - Contemporary Muslims in America, a panel discussion (bring friends, roommates, enemies, etc...)
October 24 - Location -Smith Hall- 7 pm- Americans for Informed Democracy Video screening
November 1: Location- Grainger Hall 1100 - Jamal Badawi Lecture on Jihad, Politics, and Terrorism
...
College Republicans
Suicide Killers Today Tuesday October 23 at 7pm in Grainger Hall (TIGH).
That these events can take place in the same nation and on the same college campus is another reason why I love this country so much.
-David Lapidus
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 2:43pm):
"So stop thinking that going renegade( look up the definition) is a cool thing to do. And stop this we think different we're better then you crap."
This is exactly what propaganda is intended to do, which is to divide people through assumptions about those in opposition to the current administration and therefore by association our country.
There will always be people who think they are "better" than others, regardless of religion, political affiliation, gender, or race.
But dissent is not a matter of "trying to be cool," nor does thinking critically about issues (and abhorrent conditions) that plague the earth we ALL must exist within equate with "superiority."
We need actual discourse instead of name calling, but to have this we first need straight facts in our media to make informed decisions as individuals.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 2:45pm):
I'm fairly certain that had it been "Christian Fascism Awareness Week", the College Democrats would have applauded and asked Horowitz to come and have a bowl with them. Islamo-fascism is a problem and if you are a non-fascist Muslim, then you shouldn't be offended, it isn't about you.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 2:56pm):
Why do right-wingers hide behind pseudo-intellectuals to sneak paid hate speech onto campus?
His inability to respectfully engage honest, sincere questions is testimony his real goal; not academics, but partisan hacking.
This administration is selling another war. Horwitz is but a prop of a tool in the next great theatrical performance: Iran is a Threat (Iraq: Part II)
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 3:01pm):
Let`s put it this way: money trumps peace sometimes.
- GEORGE W. BUSH
02/16/2007
It's laughable that Horowitz claims a humanitarian reason for occupying Iraq. What about the ongoing crisis in Dafur? What about Abu Ghraib where US Soldiers torture and rape in the same rooms Sadaam's military used?
It's no wonder that hypocrisy is a central tenant of the modern conservative movement. Horowitz and his supporters exemplify the notion of Conservatives Without Conscience.
Shawn Snyder (October 23, 2007 @ 4:11pm):
David Horowitz spoke on campus Monday night, sponsored by the College Republicans. His topic of discussion: Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week and women's unequal rights in the Middle-East. Islamo-Fascists are those religious radicals that kill other Muslims or infidels that don't believe the same that they do. Islamo-Fascists have killed millions of Muslims in the Middle-East, and far more than the combination of both Iraq wars. Women's equality is one of the worst scenarios on the planet because of these radicals.
Protesters at the lecture chanted, "Racist, fascist, anti-gay, right-wing bigot go away." They also asked questions afterward in which the answers were in the lecture. Apparently though their heads were pointed in his direction, they weren't listening to his words. Yes, that's right, protesters- David Horowitz is preaching against fascism, yet he himself is a fascist. If that doesn't make sense to you who are reading this, it's okay, you have the ability to reason.
I like the author's use of words. it shows how skewed he is. Reread the article, but replace "claims" with "states facts." His whole lecture was based on facts of history. The only opinions came at the end of his lecture, and those are reasoned. (Muslims should separate themselves from the extremists by condemning them.)
Shawn Snyder (October 23, 2007 @ 4:20pm):
He wouldn't have to call the question-askers stupid if they didn't act that way. They asked questions that he had already answered in the lecture, putting words into his mouth he never said, thus voiding questions, and claiming facts about books they never read. That would piss me off, too, if I'm a nationally recognized figure trying to have an intelligent, civil, and respectful Q&A when one educated question can't even be formed. What is he supposed to call them, smart? I was ashamed to say they're at the same school.
Shawn Snyder (October 23, 2007 @ 4:22pm):
"Steve Slapps (October 23, 2007 @ 1:43pm):
People need to stop being so mean to Mr. Barrett. He's a really nice person."
He's also very rude.
Adam Sitte (October 23, 2007 @ 5:05pm):
Shawn, muslims have overwhelmingly separated themselves.
His historical facts were not facts, they were gross misrepresentations of history. Ottoman history, Israeli history, Palestinian history, etc. Husseini was one of two main leaders in Palestine at the time, not mentioning the other skews one's view of history. The revisionist zionists were fascists as well, putting sentiments towards fascism at the time into perspective. Unlike the pamphlets given out claimed, Kuwaiti women can vote and do hold office, two ministers are women. 90% of Pakistani women are not beaten. He did in fact say Osama bin Ladin is the ideal Muslim. Where was the peel commission, sykes picot, mcmahon, the white papers, etc. in his discussion on Palestinian history? why is it assumed that someone who has spent their whole life in bethlehem has no reason to want to return there? because arab countries exist elsewhere? that is ridiculous. MSA is funded by hamas and the muslim brotherhood? this is precisely the problem, that people here think he is stating facts. David horowitz is an inconsequential figure, but what does matter is the dynamics on this campus, and this belief that discourse can't be had by simply reaching out to other organizations.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 5:12pm):
Why is it that everyone feels it necessary to attack "the other side" and criticize their idea's, but never produce any new ideas or creative, intellectual thought themselves?
I love hearing "College Republicans love to say, "well at least we're not executing the gays" just like their parents used to say "we'll at least we're not lynching the [not saying it]."
Let's analyze that for a second. Did you ever, at any point, offer an intellectual thought. The answer is no. Did you, yourself, stereotype a group or person, while at the same time attempting bash the people, like yourself, who stereotype? The answer is yes.
Please stop ranting like idiots and atleast attempt to have an adult conversation, instead of making it a pissing contest
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 5:32pm):
David Horowitz's not-so-subtle racism can be seen by visiting his site. He actively sponsors literature that demonizes the entirety of Islam, not just the bad ones. He's the nazi.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 6:05pm):
Thanks David, for yet another self-promoting America-boner.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 6:37pm):
The Heroic Nonie Darwish Faces Muslim "Mean Girl" Power at Wellesley
http://pajamasmedia.com/xpress/phyllischesler/2007/10/22/the_heroic_nonie_darwish_faces.php
One must not expose Islam's long record of gender and religious apartheid and if one does, one is treated as a traitor and a liar and silenced in violent ways.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 6:58pm):
I am purely curious as to how those supporting Horowitz can overlook the fact that the man has a history of being a bigot, best illustrated in his statement of the sentiment that blacks should be grateful for being enslaved in this country since it brought out of Africa.
I find it more interesting that supporters are blind to the money that goes into Horowitz's pocket for promoting such extreme views.
As one of the "hatemongering leftists" present at the event last evening, I'd like to make clear that while I will not pretend to represent those liberals in attendance, I am completely for the rights of the Islamic women in the Middle East and find the murdering of homosexuals by a presumably Islamo-Fascist entity horribly deplorable.
However, as a conservative speaker the College Republicans chose to represent them, it certainly strikes a parallel to the issues of a woman's right to choose abortion and the right of homosexuals to marry in this country. As far as I know, the Republican party is unwilling to grant these rights to our country's citizens. This to me is sadly ironic.
Horowitz's views that "leftists" are "hatemongers" who believe that "everything America does is evil" are ludicrously untrue.
Certainly the civil rights movement of the '60s was purported by a group of liberal thinking minds, and no liberal would dare argue that the change American society brought about was "evil."
I admit I did laugh out loud during some of Horowitz's statements, namely when he presented himself as a victim of hate - a true insult to the row of Muslim students sitting in front of him who legitimately face such dangers.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 7:23pm):
Too bad his "facts" were quite a ways off. If he is going to claim he knows the source and solution to the problems of the middle east he better have a far more coherent understanding of its history.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 8:03pm):
In response to the patriotic individual who told all the free-thinkers to move to SF or NYC because we're all "friends" of the terrorists:
I challenge you to a duel! You crazies can have the midwest and the south. The rest of us will take the northeast and the northwest. You can push your anti-drug, anti-terror, anti-immigrant, anti-gay, anti-abortion agenda, while we do the opposite.
Ah, it's just a fantasy of mine. It would be utter and complete vindication when Texas through Tennesee was one gigantic version of North Korea. What an experiment that would be! Secession indeed!
I am better than you.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 8:54pm):
I don't see how someone that is so Pro-Israel (and presumably sensitive to the events that led to the Holocaust) not see through what he's doing now. He's using propaganda to ostracize a whole religion (hmm... who did that before). Showing pictures of the Taliban killing someone in a Burka and speaking of female genital mutilation (as if it's common practice promoted by the religion) is nothing but trying to mislead people by playing with their emotions.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 9:03pm):
It's funny how in the US it's freedom of speech when you critically (and offensively) speak about Muslims and Islamic countries, but if you utter even the slightest criticism about Israel, you're labelled an anti-semite. Maybe the problems in the middle east will be solved with frank and open dialogues like the ones that Horowitz claims to be holding if we are able speak freely and honestly (whithout emotions getting in the way) about both sides of the conflict.
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 9:12pm):
"Christianity persecuted, tortured, and burned. Like a hound it tracked the very scent of heresy. It kindled wars, and nursed furious hatreds and ambitions. It sanctified, quite like Mohammedanism, extermination and tyranny. . ."
-- George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952), Little Essays, No. 107, "Christian Morality"
Perhaps Mohammedanism will chill out someday?
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 9:21pm):
Republican intolerance of the LGBTQ community
= no gay marriage
Muslim intolerance of the LGBTQ community = hang gay people
But to liberals it's all the same?
"Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western Civilization as it commits suicide."
- Jerry Pournelle
Anonymous (October 23, 2007 @ 10:07pm):
Unfortunately, the fact that Isalmo-Facism is a very serious threat is completely overshadowed by the controversy associated with Horowitz.
While the left and right point fingers and insult each other, terrorists are planning their next attack and gaining momentum in a culture that has a fundamental hatred of Western civilization.
Horowitz deserves blame for this, as he stereotypes liberals, makes racist comments, and generally turns a serious problem into a fiery debate.
If we can't even understand the other side of the political spectrum in America, how are Islam and Christianity going to ever peacefully coexist? The same things are being taught to children in the Middle East: women are second-class citizens, homosexuality should be punished, and Christians are infidels that should be killed.
Our government and our people are heading in the wrong direction and there will be serious consequences in the future.
Samuel Finesurrey (October 23, 2007 @ 10:46pm):
Horowitz's is a fool. He kept speaking about the burtality of these regeims in the Middle East, while failing to mention who put all these guys in power. It's convient to forget that it was the US who supported both Saddam Hussain and the Tallibans rise to power. US intervention in the middle east causes problems, it doesn't fix them.
Anonymous (October 24, 2007 @ 12:31am):
I'm more left wing thinking (though refuse to choose a side), and I believe Islam in its current state is completely fascist and has a bent on cultural domination. If you don't see what is happening in Europe and the greater part of the World with Islamic militants, if all you can do is make apologies for these people.. it is YOU who is naive and are ending up doing something that will hurt good people. But of course most are too self-righteous to even put 2 and 2 together.
Anonymous (October 24, 2007 @ 12:38am):
If you don't understand the Qu'ran and how it commands Muslims to kill you (chapter 5 and chapter 9 for example) and you stand around and oppose Islamo-Facism awareness week, then shut-up, because you are a gullible fool. Islamic supremacism wants you dead. Your ignorant protests are helping them in their cause. You may be blind to the elephant in the room, but for those of us who have studied it out, we fully intend to expose the evil for what it is, regardless of your adolescent snivelling. Get outta the way and let the real men handle this, children.
Anonymous (October 24, 2007 @ 3:40am):
IslamoFascist control over a good portion of the worlds oil supply doesn't seem to worry the touchy feely left.They have forgotten ,or were never aware of, the effect the Saudi use of the oil weapon had on the world's economy in 1976.The tripling of the oil price with its resultant hyper inflation caused a worldwide recession which destroyed the economies of the poorer countries in africa and south america .The very countries the pollyanna left pretend to care about .
Anonymous (October 24, 2007 @ 10:54am):
"If you don't understand the Qu'ran and how it commands Muslims to kill you (chapter 5 and chapter 9 for example) and you stand around and oppose Islamo-Facism awareness week, then shut-up, because you are a gullible fool."
You sound like Bill O Reilly with talk like that. Come on now, there must be something better to add to the debate than this.
Anonymous (October 24, 2007 @ 11:03am):
12:38, thanks daddy. real men torture and blame muslims for their failing ideology.
Anonymous (October 24, 2007 @ 1:30pm):
What a political battlefield. Seriously guys, here's the problem right here.
Rather than sitting and talking with each other and learning about each other's points of view we condemn, stereotype, and hold blatant disregard for the other half without making any effort to understand the other half.
Horowitz made the comment that he had to "learn" that his opponents were actually smart people or something along that line. I originally laughed at this, but honestly, maybe its time we do the same, leftwingers and rightwingers alike, because honestly, some of these comments are completely ridiculous and uncalled for.
Anonymous (October 24, 2007 @ 2:08pm):
It's not a "failing ideology" that the muslims have, it is dangerous (because it wants you dead now) and it is evil. (Do you believe in evil? Do you believe that evil exists? Perhaps that might be a good starting point for you, son, to find out if evil exists...)But since you really don't get it, just let me say that were it not for the fact that you are a protected young leftie, you would easily be a dead leftie very quickly because of these folks with "failing ideology." Because you can't see the threat does not mean that the threat does not exist. ..it means that you are extremely naieve and bark your protests at those who protect you quite foolishly. Now go back to your ipod and your xbox while real men protect your pimply butt.
Adam Sitte (October 24, 2007 @ 11:43pm):
"The same things are being taught to children in the Middle East: women are second-class citizens, homosexuality should be punished, and Christians are infidels that should be killed."
How long have you lived there?
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